Claim

The U.S. holds recovered craft of non-human origin and runs a secret program to reverse-engineer them

Also known as crash retrieval claim, legacy program claim, reverse-engineering claim

Disputed. AARO's 2024 historical report found “no empirical evidence” for it and says the companies named denied it on the record; the people making the claim say the evidence is held in classified programs that AARO did not reach. (AARO Historical Record Report, Volume 1)

The central claim of the disclosure debate: that the United States, through government agencies and defence contractors, has recovered craft that were not made by humans, and has spent decades trying to reverse-engineer them, out of sight of Congress.

Almost everyone who makes it says they were told by others, or describes what they say they saw without producing a record; the official record so far contradicts it. The timeline below shows who has said it and how they say they know: first-hand accounts, accounts relayed from unnamed sources, and the official findings against it.

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  1. February 1949 — context, documented: Conclusions: “No definite and conclusive evidence is yet available that would prove or disprove the existence of these unidentified objects as real aircraft of unknown and unconventional configuration. It is unlikely that positive proof of their existence will be obtained without examination of the remains of crashed objects.” In this copy the word “without” is underlined by hand. Source: doc-project-sign-report-1949.pdf
  2. February 1949 — context, documented: The report (February 1949), based on 243 domestic and 30 foreign incidents, concluded: “No definite and conclusive evidence is yet available that would prove or disprove the existence of these unidentified objects as real aircraft of unknown and unconventional configuration. It is unlikely that positive proof of their existence will be obtained without examination of the remains of crashed objects.” Source: Unidentified Aerial Objects: Project “SIGN” (Air Materiel Command, Technical Report No. F-TR-2274-IA, February 1949)
  3. 1978 Leonard Stringfield — says so, relayed: Beginning with his 1978 MUFON paper “Retrievals of the Third Kind”, Stringfield published accounts from informants, mostly identified only by initials, who said the military had recovered crashed craft and alien bodies and taken them to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. Source: openlibrary.org (archived)
  4. 1978 Leonard Stringfield — context, first-hand: Stringfield said himself that he had never seen a retrieved craft or body and held no affidavits, and that his cases could be considered hearsay. Source: openlibrary.org (archived)
  5. November 1989 Bob Lazar — says so, first-hand: Went public in 1989 through interviews with George Knapp (KLAS-TV), saying he reverse-engineered alien craft propulsion at S-4. Source: Bob Lazar 1989 interview with George Knapp
  6. 1997 Philip J. Corso — says so, first-hand: Claimed that while heading the Army’s Foreign Technology Desk he managed the reverse-engineering of alien artifacts recovered at Roswell in 1947. Source: The Day After Roswell
  7. 22 February 1998 Philip J. Corso — says so, first-hand: Corso: as chief of the foreign technology division of Army Research and Development he had “full authority to give contracts out. And I had all these artifacts. I was actually in charge.” Source: Col. Philip J. Corso: The Day After Roswell lecture “at the Ranch” (22 February 1998) at 20:38
  8. 2011 Clifford Stone — says so, first-hand: Stone's account of his Army career and his claim to have taken part in recoveries of crashed craft and their occupants. Source: openlibrary.org (archived)
  9. 2013 Donald Schmitt — says so, relayed: Carey and Schmitt argue that the Roswell debris and bodies were taken to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, citing eyewitness accounts. Source: redwheelweiser.com (archived)
  10. 29 April 2013 Daniel Sheehan — says so, first-hand: Sheehan says that as special counsel to a late-1970s Congressional Research Service inquiry he was shown classified Project Blue Book microfilm with photographs of a crashed saucer in snow. Source: Citizen Hearing 2013: History & Background, Part 2 at 27:56
  11. 29 April 2013 Robert M. Wood — says so, opinion: Wood says a Government Printing Office veteran judged from the type that the manual “was authentically printed by the government for some reason in 1954”. The MJ-12 papers, including this manual, are widely regarded as forgeries; the FBI's own file records the Air Force calling the 1984 briefing document fabricated. Source: Citizen Hearing 2013: Documents & Proof at 5:51
  12. 29 April 2013 Robert M. Wood — says so, opinion: Wood's conclusion, which he calls “incredibly wild”: those in charge have kept secret the greatest story of mankind while spending staggering sums on hidden underground facilities and reverse engineering. Source: Citizen Hearing 2013: Documents & Proof at 10:59
  13. 29 April 2013 Roberto Pinotti — says so, relayed: Pinotti says documents show the Fascist government set up a secret scientific team “headed by guliamo marconi” (Guglielmo Marconi) to study unconventional flying vehicles, after the alleged 1933 Magenta crash. The documents have not been independently authenticated. Source: Citizen Hearing 2013: A Global Phenomenon, Part 1 at 9:05
  14. 29 April 2013 Grant Cameron — says so, relayed: Grant Cameron says Wilbert Smith, head of Canada's Project Magnet, was asked how much material the Americans had handled and “replied tons of it”. Source: Citizen Hearing 2013: A Global Phenomenon, Part 1 at 28:07
  15. 29 April 2013 Grant Cameron — says so, relayed: Cameron says a later letter from Sarbacher confirmed “that the americans did have bodies and they did have a craft”, as he had heard from scientists returning from Wright-Patterson meetings. Source: Citizen Hearing 2013: A Global Phenomenon, Part 1 at 31:55
  16. 29 April 2013 Roberto Pinotti — says so, relayed: Pinotti says that in 1971–72, when he was an army officer, an American NATO officer told him: “in the usa we have the crushed objects and even the corpses of the pilot”. Source: Citizen Hearing 2013: A Global Phenomenon, Part 1 at 1:19:01
  17. 29 April 2013 Daniel Sheehan — says so, first-hand: Sheehan says that, as special counsel to that inquiry, he was shown classified Blue Book microfilm including official Air Force photographs of a “crashed saucer on the ground” in snow, and traced the symbols on its dome. Source: Citizen Hearing 2013: History & Background, Part 2 at 27:56
  18. 29 April 2013 Richard French — says so, relayed: French says he was asked to review items from the crash site, where “an unknown number of humanoids either killed or injured” were found; the craft's parts had markings like “Arabic”, and parts and casualties went to Wright-Patterson's Foreign Technology Division. Source: Citizen Hearing 2013: Roswell, Part 2 at 3:07
  19. 29 April 2013 Steven Greer — says so, relayed: Greer lists facilities he says run secret programmes, from Edwards and Area 51's S-4 to “the dugway proving grounds” in Utah, which he calls the most important, all underground. Source: Citizen Hearing 2013: Science & Technology at 20:53
  20. 29 April 2013 Anthony Choy — says so, relayed: Anthony Choy relays witness accounts that in the 1980s an object fell in Peru and its remains were taken away by helicopters “definitively not part of the peruvian armed forces”; asked whose, he says “apparently they were american”. Source: Citizen Hearing 2013: South American Encounters, Part 2 at 22:42
  21. 29 April 2013 Richard Dolan — says so, opinion: Historian Richard Dolan argues that decades of secret research on recovered technology may have created within the classified world “a breakaway” society far ahead of public science. Source: Citizen Hearing 2013: The Truth Embargo at 38:50
  22. 29 April 2013 Linda Moulton Howe — says so, relayed: Howe relays an unnamed military man who told her his unit's job was to “extract technology the craft and the bodies” from crash and landing sites, and that in 1978 in northern Arizona his superior had him meet “one of the ebens”, an encounter he described as a telepathic download that made him faint. Source: Citizen Hearing 2013: Truth, Lies & the Cover-up, Part 2 at 12:36
  23. 2019 Bob Lazar — says so, first-hand: Lazar's own account of the work he says he did in 1988–89 on recovered alien craft at S-4, south of Area 51, and of what followed after he went public through George Knapp in 1989. Source: bangor.sparkpa.org (archived)
  24. 2021 Jacques Vallée — says so, relayed: The book presents the account of two men who say that as boys in August 1945 they saw a crashed craft and small beings near San Antonio, New Mexico, and watched the military recover it. Source: en.wikipedia.org (archived)
  25. 2021 — disputes it, opinion: Critics, including Doug Johnson in a detailed online review and Brian Dunning from 2023, call the story a hoax; Vallée conceded in 2023 that a man the two said they saw entering the craft had been with the Army in Europe at the time. Source: en.wikipedia.org (archived)
  26. 10 December 2021 Garry Nolan — context, opinion: Asked why the government doesn't fund such work, Nolan speculates that maybe it has, and someone is saying the researchers are wasting their time “on exhaust, we have the engine”. Source: “These Are Parts Of an Alien UFO!”: Garry Nolan at Stanford (American Alchemy) at 13:34
  27. 11 February 2022 Hal Puthoff — context, first-hand: Asked whether aerospace companies hold physics knowledge not shared with academia, Puthoff says they certainly hold materials knowledge, and knowledge “in the uap area” that is sequestered against FOIA as proprietary, “set up to be that way on purpose”; he knows of no evidence for withheld fundamental physics. Source: Eric Weinstein Debates CIA UFO Expert Hal Puthoff (American Alchemy) at 8:31
  28. May 2022 David Grusch — says so, relayed: In May 2022 Grusch filed a “Disclosure of Urgent Concern” and reprisal complaint with the Intelligence Community Inspector General, alleging that information about UAP crash-retrieval programs was being withheld from Congress. Source: thedebrief.org (archived)
  29. 17 May 2022 Scott Bray — disputes it, documented: Bray: “When it comes to material that we have, we have no material”, and no emanations detected that would suggest anything nonterrestrial. Source: Congressional hearings on military reports of Unexplained Aerial Phenomena (UAP) - May 17th, 2022 at 53:02
  30. 19 April 2023 Sean Kirkpatrick — disputes it: Testifying to the Senate Armed Services Committee in April 2023, he said: “AARO has found no credible evidence thus far of extraterrestrial activity, off world technology, or objects that defy the known laws of physics.” Source: Hearing transcript: AARO mission, activities, oversight and budget (Senate Armed Services, April 19, 2023)
  31. 19 April 2023 Sean Kirkpatrick — disputes it, documented: Kirkpatrick: “AARO has found no credible evidence thus far of extraterrestrial activity, off world technology, or objects that defy the known laws of physics.” Source: Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) Public Hearing - In Full - April 19, 2023 at 14:17
  32. 5 June 2023 Leslie Kean — says so, relayed: On June 5, 2023 she and Ralph Blumenthal broke David Grusch's story in The Debrief: “A former intelligence official turned whistleblower has given Congress and the Intelligence Community Inspector General extensive classified information about deeply covert programs that he says possess retrieved intact and partially intact craft of non-human origin.” Source: thedebrief.org (archived)
  33. 26 July 2023 David Grusch — says so, relayed: Testified under oath that he “was informed in the course of my official duties of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program to which I was denied access”, and that the U.S. government “absolutely” possesses UAP, “based on interviewing over 40 witnesses over 4 years”. Source: Hearing transcript: UAP — Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency (House Oversight, July 26, 2023)
  34. 26 July 2023 David Grusch — says so, relayed: Asked whether AARO director Sean Kirkpatrick's statement that there was no credible evidence was accurate, he testified: “It is not accurate”, adding that some of the roughly 30 people who had gone to AARO were also people he had interviewed. Source: House holds hearing on UFOs, government transparency | full video at 1:11:52
  35. 26 July 2023 David Grusch — says so, relayed: Grusch: informed in the course of his official duties of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse-engineering program, to which he was denied access. Source: House holds hearing on UFOs, government transparency | full video at 32:06
  36. 26 July 2023 David Grusch — says so, relayed: Asked whether the government possesses UAP, Grusch answers “Absolutely, based on interviewing over 40 witnesses over 4 years,” and says he gave the exact locations to the Inspector General. Source: House holds hearing on UFOs, government transparency | full video at 49:27
  37. 8 March 2024 All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office — disputes it, documented: It found no empirical evidence of reverse-engineering of extraterrestrial technology by the U.S. government or private companies, and no evidence of UAP non-disclosure agreements threatening violence. Many reported claims, it concluded, came from misidentified authentic programs and circular reporting among a small group of proponents. Source: doc-aaro-historical-record-report-v1.pdf
  38. 8 March 2024 All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office — disputes it, documented: AARO's 2024 historical report found “no empirical evidence” for claims that the U.S. government and private companies have been reverse-engineering extraterrestrial technology, and attributes the modern claim largely to “circular reporting from a group of individuals who believe this to be the case”, many tied to the cancelled AAWSAP/AATIP program and KONA BLUE. It does not name Grusch. Source: AARO Historical Record Report, Volume 1
  39. 27 June 2024 David Grusch — says so, relayed: Grusch: in fall 2019 a very senior intelligence official introduced him to a PhD-level source who said, in a secure facility, that he had worked on a program reverse-engineering crash material recovered over decades. Source: Joe Rogan Experience #2065 - David Grusch at 11:15
  40. 27 June 2024 David Grusch — says so, relayed: Grusch: he and colleagues interviewed about 40 people, up to generals and agency directors, cross-checked their accounts and documents, and were refused access by the program's “gatekeepers”. Source: Joe Rogan Experience #2065 - David Grusch at 12:57
  41. 27 June 2024 David Grusch — says so, relayed: Grusch: the number of recoveries is “double digit”; he won't give the exact figure to avoid helping foreign intelligence services. Source: Joe Rogan Experience #2065 - David Grusch at 25:14
  42. 27 June 2024 Harry Reid (as reported by David Grusch) — says so, relayed: Grusch: in spring 2021 he briefed Harry Reid at his Las Vegas home; Reid said he knew the U.S. had UFO material, had been denied access for decades, and would raise it with President Biden. Source: Joe Rogan Experience #2065 - David Grusch at 26:55
  43. 27 June 2024 David Grusch — says so, relayed: Grusch: AAWSAP's real purpose was a bigoted, waived special access program Reid requested to receive material; Lockheed Martin wanted to divest 1950s hull fragments to Bigelow's facility, but the CIA killed the transfer — so the program turned to Skinwalker Ranch. Source: Joe Rogan Experience #2065 - David Grusch at 29:16
  44. 27 June 2024 David Grusch — says so, first-hand: Grusch: in the AATIP/AAWSAP archives he read a stolen foreign-adversary assessment discussing the U.S. reverse-engineering program; when he sought the full report, the holding agency debriefed him from his accesses. Source: Joe Rogan Experience #2065 - David Grusch at 41:19
  45. 20 August 2024 Luis Elizondo — says so: Elizondo's memoir (William Morrow, 2024) says a decades-long crash-retrieval and reverse-engineering effort, which he calls “Legacy Programs”, has run since the Roswell recovery as a secret umbrella of government officials and aerospace contractors. Source: newsnationnow.com (archived)
  46. 13 November 2024 Glenn Grothman — disputes it, relayed: Opening the November 2024 hearing, Rep. Glenn Grothman said that agencies briefing the committee, including the DoD and IC inspectors general and AARO, had not been able to substantiate the claims Grusch made in 2023, despite members questioning them inside and outside the SCIF. Source: Hearing transcript: “Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Exposing the Truth”
  47. 13 November 2024 Glenn Grothman — disputes it, relayed: Grothman: briefings with the DoD and IC inspectors general and AARO have not been able to substantiate David Grusch's 2023 claims, despite Members questioning them inside and outside the SCIF. Source: Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Exposing the Truth at 31:33
  48. 13 November 2024 Luis Elizondo — says so, relayed: Elizondo: “UAP are real. Advanced technologies not made by our government or any other government are monitoring sensitive military installations around the globe. Furthermore, the U.S. is in possession of UAP technologies, as are some of our adversaries.” Source: Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Exposing the Truth at 49:18
  49. 13 November 2024 Luis Elizondo — says so, relayed: Elizondo says documentation he signed three years earlier bars him from discussing crash retrievals; asked yes or no, he says the government has run secret UAP crash-retrieval programs designed to reverse-engineer craft. Source: Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Exposing the Truth at 1:07:47
  50. 13 November 2024 Luis Elizondo — says so: Elizondo agrees with Grusch that the U.S. has run a multi-decade crash-retrieval and reverse-engineering program, and says UAP programs are operating without proper congressional oversight: “One hundred percent.” Source: Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Exposing the Truth at 1:24:24
  51. 19 November 2024 Jon T. Kosloski — disputes it, documented: Kosloski: “to date AARO has not discovered any verifiable evidence of extraterrestrial beings, activity or technology.” Source: Oversight Hearing on AARO and UAPs/UFOs Nov 19th 2024 (UnEdited) at 7:38
  52. 6 December 2024 Ryan Graves — context, opinion: Asked about David Grusch's crash-retrieval claims, he says he was never exposed to such programs but that nothing in Grusch's background suggests he is lying. Source: US fighter pilots witness UFO: Ryan Graves (American Alchemy, 2024) at 38:20
  53. 21 March 2025 Larry Lemke — says so, opinion: Lemke, calling it speculative and drawn from whistleblower accounts: the so-called “alien reproduction vehicles” would be examples of the weaker technology within our reach. Source: The Sol Forum #1: Hal Puthoff, Jacques Vallée and Larry Lemke at 1:19:35
  54. 21 March 2025 Larry Lemke — says so, relayed: Lemke: his father, at the Berkeley Radiation Laboratory from about 1955 to 1965, told him he had been tasked to work on recovered UFO material, “a piece of that thing that crashed” in New Mexico, including the so-called Roswell memory foil; he notes his father never actually said Roswell. Source: The Sol Forum #1: Hal Puthoff, Jacques Vallée and Larry Lemke at 1:41:07
  55. 1 May 2025 Eric Davis — says so, relayed: At the May 2025 congressional briefing he repeated what he says he told The New York Times in 2020 about his contacts with industry leadership: “The craft that have been recovered are not of this earth. They're not made by human hands.” Asked whether they are extraterrestrial: “We don't know.” Source: Understanding UAP: Science, National Security & Innovation (House Oversight and Government Reform) at 1:04:55
  56. 1 May 2025 Hal Puthoff — says so: Asked how many non-human craft humans have recovered, he said “More than 10” in U.S. possession, with more worldwide. Source: Joe Rogan Experience #2314: Hal Puthoff at 1:46:26
  57. 1 May 2025 Eric Davis — says so, relayed: Davis: the crash-retrieval programs are more secret than the Manhattan Project, hidden from Congress under presidential emergency action directives dating from Eisenhower and exempt from FOIA. Source: Understanding UAP: Science, National Security & Innovation (House Oversight and Government Reform) at 59:50
  58. 1 May 2025 Eric Davis — says so, relayed: Davis says the crash-retrieval programmes go back to 1944 and the U.S. Army's recovery of a craft that crashed in Italy in 1933, brought back to Wright Field; just before, he says he briefed Grusch for two and a half days before Grusch's Inspector General complaint. Source: Understanding UAP: Science, National Security & Innovation (House Oversight and Government Reform) at 1:03:25
  59. 1 May 2025 Eric Davis — says so, relayed: Dr. Davis: recovered craft are “not of this Earth.” Source: Understanding UAP: Science, National Security & Innovation (House Oversight and Government Reform) at 1:04:55
  60. 1 May 2025 Hal Puthoff — context, first-hand: Asked to examine any recovered materials, Puthoff negotiated with aerospace executives, who said that if they had any “it'd be too highly classified” to share, even with the program's Top Secret clearances. Rogan: they wouldn't say that if there was nothing to negotiate about. Source: Joe Rogan Experience #2314: Hal Puthoff at 1:00:11
  61. 9 September 2025 Dylan Borland — says so, first-hand: Under oath he said he is a whistleblower to the Intelligence Community Inspector General and AARO with “direct firsthand knowledge of and experience with craft and technologies that are not ours”, and that he was later “exposed to classified information from the UAP legacy crash retrieval program” through a position in a special access program. Source: Hearing transcript: Restoring Public Trust Through UAP Transparency and Whistleblower Protection (Sept 9, 2025)
  62. 9 September 2025 George Knapp — says so, relayed: He testified that James Lacatski told him the U.S. had got inside a craft with no wings, rotor, tail or fuel, and that it took 14 months of Pentagon pre-publication review to clear two sentences on it. Source: Restoring Public Trust Through UAP Transparency and Whistleblower Protection at 1:48:03
  63. November 2025 James Lacatski — says so: In a November 2025 interview with KLAS 8 News Now, Lacatski again said the government holds at least one recovered craft of unknown origin, with no wings, engine, fuel or fuel tanks. Asked whether he was convinced it was a craft or machine, he answered: “Yes.” Source: 8newsnow.com (archived)
  64. 21 November 2025 Eric Davis — says so, relayed: In the film, Davis also says Bush told him that as CIA director in the Ford administration he “was not briefed on the legacy UAP crash retrieval program, but he later found out about it”, and that “there were a number of crash retrievals that had taken place since the uh mid 1940s”. Source: Eric Davis: George H.W. Bush told him of crash retrievals and the Holloman landing (The Age of Disclosure, clip) at 0:08
  65. 21 November 2025 Eric Davis — says so, relayed: Bush told him “there were a number of crash retrievals that had taken place since the uh mid 1940s”, Davis says. Source: Eric Davis: George H.W. Bush told him of crash retrievals and the Holloman landing (The Age of Disclosure, clip) at 0:18
  66. 4 April 2026 Garry Nolan — context, opinion: Nolan: the first time you open up the hangar doors and show some craft, “the questions are unlimited”; if anyone admits access to technology denied to another contractor, imagine “the legal fights”. Source: Garry Nolan on the hurdles facing disclosure (The Age of Disclosure, clip) at 0:00
  67. 25 June 2026 Chris Mellon — context, relayed: He says one of the main crash-retrieval sources he first brought to Congress told him the program had been closed because it was making no headway and spending a lot of money. Source: UAP & National Security: Mellon, Gallaudet, von Rennenkampff & McConnell at Disclosure Forum 2026 at 37:15
  68. 20 July 2026 — disputes it, documented: “To date, no evidence suggests that a USG or private entity has ever captured or exploited UAP-derived materials.” Source: doc-aaro-annual-report-fy2025.pdf
  69. October 2026 Robert F. Kennedy Jr. — says so, relayed: Kennedy says that during the 2024–25 presidential transition, while living in Palm Beach, he was approached by “a very high-level NASA scientist” and Navy SEALs and Green Berets “who had been on recovery teams” for crash-retrieval programs, who told him they had figured out how to call some of the craft in and were under orders to destroy and recover them. Source: Robert F. Kennedy Jr. says special-forces veterans told him about crash retrievals (2026) at 0:07
  70. October 2026 Sean Kirkpatrick — disputes it: Answering Jay Stratton's memoir in October 2026, he called the claim that he was controlled by the Legacy Program “the most absurd thing I've heard today”, said Congress's only classified information on “this fictitious program” concerns what national-security violations “Jay and his band of pseudo-scientists have committed”, and said: “There is no legacy program.” Source: paradigm.news (archived)
  71. October 2026 Robert F. Kennedy Jr. — says so, relayed: Kennedy: during the transition, in Palm Beach, “a very high-level NASA scientist” and Navy SEALs and Green Berets “who had been on recovery teams” approached him about crash-retrieval programs. Source: Robert F. Kennedy Jr. says special-forces veterans told him about crash retrievals (2026) at 0:07
  72. 13 October 2026 Jay Stratton — says so, first-hand: On Fox News in October 2026 he said: "I have seen non-human beings and non-human craft with my own eyes", and that both the government and defense contractors hold craft of non-human origin. Source: Jay Stratton on Fox News Special Report with Bret Baier (13 October 2026) at 5:19
  73. 15 October 2026 Eric Burlison — says so, opinion: Asked whether the U.S. holds non-human craft: “At this point, I would be surprised if that were not true”, adding that he does not know with certainty and does not hold a security clearance. Source: Rep. Eric Burlison on the Dr. Phil Podcast: "A Congressman Was Briefed on a Secret Test to Lure UFOs" (15 October 2026) at 28:53
  74. 23 October 2026 Avi Loeb — context, opinion: On reports that alien craft are “being held by corporations like Lockheed Martin”: “I haven't seen any evidence for that, and the people I speak with have not seen any evidence for that.” Source: Avi Loeb on NewsNation's The Hill: the PURSUE triangle, and sensors at the sites (23 October 2026) at 2:07
  75. Edgar Mitchell — says so, relayed: He said that, according to former intelligence, military and government people he relied on: “There have been ET visitation, there have been crashed craft, there have been … material and bodies recovered”, and that some reverse engineering had been done. Source: Astronaut Edgar Mitchell Talks About UAP UFO And Aliens at 5:12

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