Claim
A craft of non-human origin came down near Magenta, Italy, in 1933, and Mussolini's government recovered it
Also known as Magenta crash claim, RS/33
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The claim that a craft crashed near Magenta in Lombardy in June 1933 and was studied by a secret Italian group, "Gabinetto RS/33", before passing to the United States. It rests on documents mailed anonymously to Roberto Pinotti in 1996, which have not been authenticated, and on David Grusch's and Eric Davis's accounts of what they were told; no archive has confirmed it.
Related claims
- narrower than: The U.S. holds recovered craft of non-human origin and runs a secret program to reverse-engineer them (Disputed)
Who has said it, in order
- 2001 Roberto Pinotti — says so, relayed: The authors present anonymously received documents describing an alleged 1933 crash near Magenta and a secret Fascist study group, “Gabinetto RS/33”, said to have been chaired by Guglielmo Marconi. Source: openlibrary.org (archived)
- 27 June 2024 David Grusch — says so, relayed: Grusch says he cleared the 1933 retrieval in Magenta, Italy, for public discussion to show the phenomenon is old and international; Pope Pius XII and the Vatican back-channelled it through the OSS to Roosevelt. Source: Joe Rogan Experience #2065 - David Grusch at 16:42
- 1 May 2025 Eric Davis — says so, relayed: Davis says the crash-retrieval programmes go back to 1944 and the U.S. Army's recovery of a craft that crashed in Italy in 1933, brought back to Wright Field; just before, he says he briefed Grusch for two and a half days before Grusch's Inspector General complaint. Source: Understanding UAP: Science, National Security & Innovation (House Oversight and Government Reform) at 1:03:25
Connected files
Incidents
- Magenta crash (alleged, 1933) (about)
Claims
- The U.S. holds recovered craft of non-human origin and runs a secret program to reverse-engineer them (narrower than)
People
- Roberto Pinotti (asserted by)
- David Grusch (asserted by)
- Eric Davis (asserted by)
More claims
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- Brazilian firefighters and soldiers captured non-human beings in Varginha in January 1996, and the U.S. flew them out of Brazil
- Programs dealing with UAP have been hidden from congressional oversight
- The U.S. government's official UAP investigations have found no verifiable evidence of extraterrestrial or non-human technology