Citizen Hearing 2013: Truth, Lies & the Cover-up, Part 2

0:01 if you'd repeat after me i do hereby i do by here affirm that i will tell the truth that i will tell the truth and nothing but the truth and nothing but the truth to the members of this committee today thank you all right mr cameron okay i had prepared a first statement but i have a little bit of comment and a short second statement that i wanted to sort of add as part two uh there was some discussion here about uh doing an audit on the military and because i've spent a lot of time on this basically the way i see it it's very simple the military has the power congress doesn't it'll be the same as the war between the president and congress who has power they have the power right now and i think you have to take it back they're not going to give it to you they're not going to surrender and allow you to audit them because they they're running the show and that's the way they want it a second comment i'd like to make is regarding the same sort of issue about

1:02 military because i was involved in the area 51 story i knew george knapp who was the chief investigative reporter he told the story about uh uh the appropriations committee in congress had wanted when they heard the story about the flying saucers that area 51 and the aurora and all sorts of uh planes that were flying around area 51 the appropriations committee were going like what is going on here we haven't heard about this did we put money up for they sent dick tomato who was a congressional investigator to area 51 to get inside area 51 he had all the top secret security clearances he had everything that you needed he could give people immunity and he went in there and he talked to the he tried to talk this one witness that i mentioned to you in the previous panel this uh alfred o'donnell fellow who refused to and he came back and stephen gerkin confirmed this he talked to a number of researchers and he told stephen greer i just want to let you know you're up against the first the varsity team of all black budget programs

2:02 good luck and he said with top secret security clearance with the appropriations committee behind him he could not get anywhere that this thing is so deeply held and that's basically what ben rich said as well is that it would take an act of god to get this thing out of congress because it's so deep black even though they have the technology nobody's ever going to see it as far as the military is concerned um and i would also comment on the foreign government thing i have a little bit of a disagreement with most people because i am from canada and the idea is that the rest of the world is disclosing material i'd say they are not disclosing material they are releasing their citing files citing files is what the us government released with blue book in 1969 citing reports reciting reports are just garbage they're just stuff that's there what you want to see is you want to see the top secret material the interaction between government and military and it still comes down if you look at britain for example britain now the story is they're bringing out their their files they're just dumping their files so they can get out of the ufo

3:04 margaret thatcher said when she was asked in 1997 you must make sure you get the facts correct and you can't tell the people that's basically the rule around the world it comes down to military and i think a lot of the governments of the world are basically playing the same game that they're trying to protect the military stuff and release the the core story or release the sighting files um the little short statement i'll try to keep it short what i wanted to read was the fact that even though we're looking at a lot of secrecy there was people inside the clinton administration who actually did try to get this material out they were trying to shake this uh bill clinton for example um had done some work with john podesta um and they he he actually in 2005 in hong kong bill clinton actually was talking about this in public and he stated that the vast majority of the people in the clinton administration believed the story of area 51. they believed there was a live alien they believed there was a craft underground and then bill clinton

4:05 actually went there to try to get to the bottom of this thing and he stated in 2005 after mentioning this he said i'm probably not the first president they kept in the or that bureaucrats have tried to wait out so clinton tried to get to these these uh materials um he told paul davids that he was fascinated with the subject of ufos and he was very interested in the the latest roswell book that had come out that was given to him at that time and bill clinton had actually as we look back in the files bill clinton had actually given a job to webster hubble the job he said to webster and according to webster hubble's book fans in high places in 1997 hubble said bill told him if i put you there over there in justice i want you to find out the answer to two questions number one are there ufos and number two who killed so bill clinton was a guy who didn't believe the official stories of the ufo or of the jfk stuff

5:06 and he actually sent someone to try to get the answers to this material one of one of bill clinton's main this is sort of being overlooked here one of bill clinton's main uh allies in this in this effort to try to get material it was john podesta and he and john podesta actually did try to get a lot of classified material out into the public it was the executive order 12958 which was signed in 1995 and it introduced the 25-year rule which hoped to bring to light many hidden secrets inside government like the ufo issue what was sought was a proper balance of openness in government versus what podesta called unthinking secrecy podesta stated our our founders knew that democracy cannot in the absence of public information he noted the importance of balancing the vital interests of national security with the genuine claims of public for two centuries we have prospered and in the united states because at our best

6:08 we have found a way to do both so to achieve this they signed the executive order which said that anything that was over 25 years old had to be declassified except in extreme circumstances what basically happened was that between and 2000 the clinton administration was able to declassify 800 million pages of compared to 188 million pages in the previous 15 years unfortunately the sought after ufo documents that the clintons wanted released with this material never materialized and then in 2002 podesta who went on to for the obama administration uh stated in a public uh statement in in at a sci-fi i think it's time to open the books on the questions that have remained in the on the questions of government investigations of ufos we ought to do it because it's right we ought to do it because the american people can handle the truth

7:09 and we ought to do it because it's the another ally in getting openness regarding ufos inside the clinton administration was the secretary of energy bill richardson who has made many pro-ufo disclosure messages over the years for example writing in a forward to the book on the roswell ufo crash when he was governor of new mexico richardson wrote clearly it would help everybody if the u.s government disclosed everything it knows the american people can handle the truth no matter how bizarre or mundane with full disclosure our best scientific and our best scientific investigation we should be able to find out what happened on that fateful day in 1947. then in a question and answer while he was running for president richardson talked about his long history of attempts to get answers on ufos i've been in government a long time i've been in the cabinet i've been in congress and i've also always felt that the government doesn't tell the

8:10 truth as much as it should on a lot of when i was in congress i said to the department of defense what's the data what is the data you have i was told the records were classified that ticked me off so i just want to put on the record that there are some people inside government who are actually trying to get the material out it's how i was invited by mr rockefeller to the wyoming ranch along with some of the people here stephen greer was there others and what links in my mind was a discussion that i had with then john mack md psychiatrist from harvard university who had taken a great interest in the abduction syndrome both as a psychiatrist and then as

9:11 somebody who was trying to understand as i and others were what is the true nature of an advanced intelligence that would be interacting with this planet and may not itself the prime be the actor here but making various kinds of cloned entities that would interact on this particular planet in this particular atmosphere this particular gravity in this particular solar system and dr mack and i at mr rockefeller's place in wyoming were discussing this and we went into the issue of why is it that the non-human intelligence as described in the human abduction syndrome appears to be 100 telepathic with the ability to both place impressions in human minds and to also project three-dimensional holograms that the human mind and i distinguish from the world around us

10:12 this is something that he i and many had encountered and the more you deeper you get into this field the more you realize that our reality can be manipulated through our minds without us being able to tell the difference at times and this led to a discussion which at the time i had only shared with dr mack god rest him wherever he is now that very year i had a face to face with a man who was currently working in the united states military who had been aware of my work and by that 92 93 time period i had produced the book an alien harvest as well as tv and in the whole question of why would something advance from someplace else in the universe be mutilating animals on this planet

11:15 this man was trying to tell me that there is a survival issue as well as a cloning in what we are dealing with and that genetic material has been harvested from this planet for a long time to create and this in discussion with dr mack led to i thought i would share this to show you if this is true what i'm going to share with you it shows how difficult it is for all humans to relate to any aspect of all of this the military person was describing his experience that occurred in 1978 in a small town in northern arizona he worked for a unit that would be comparable to what has been in some of the government documents called moon dust or project pounds these are units that were put together

12:15 at least as far back as right after units that would be trained to go to wherever there was a reported crash or landing because some of these craft have been clearly left or put down and that their job would be to extract technology the craft and the bodies and that he was on one of those teams and he told me that in 1978 in this town in northern arizona there was a flood and that our military unit understood the flood was not caused by nature and it was not caused by humans it was caused by something that was in the category of what they called and that he was assigned to a group to go there to try to understand why had the water been released from a

13:15 into this town by something non-human and that his superior officer said we are going to communicate with and bring in one of the ebens and i want you to have the experience of what a telepathic download upload is and he said they described exactly what would happen that his superior officers would be nearby they had done this before it was a test and that he was to stand in a particular position and that this non-human entity would be to stay on the ground because apparently they have the ability to neutralize gravity even in a focused way as an individual body that they would prefer not to walk on the ground and that one of the conditions would be that the entity would approach him with

14:16 his full knowledge and that they wanted him to have the experience of the telepathic communication and i was telling dr mack at mr facility in wyoming that he told me very honestly he said you know i was so full of myself as a young man that when they were trying to warn me that i would not be prepared for what i thought nonsense but he said it's my superior officer and he said i want you to know that there will be a point where you are going to want to run or collapse and i'm ordering you to stand and he said i thought it was so silly and then everything started to unfold and the being came about four feet high he was six foot four he remembered how much taller he was they had told him the being would come

15:16 up to about three to four feet from him be very low and they told him all controlled that the being would simply raise its head and when the eyes connected with his eyes he would no longer be in control of his he thought all of it was nonsense and then the being's head started to rise and he said linda imagine having seven feature films with sound with touch with heat with every sensation that we know and more and over all of the seven films running in your mind are gold three-dimensional symbols and he said i remember that my knees began to shake and buckled and i knew that i was fainting and men caught him and he said they put me on a cot and they left me there for three hours

16:17 and when i woke up if god himself had asked me what had been communicated in those seven i would not know he said my superior officer told me later every human thinking about extraterrestrial biological entities and the whole issue of us not being alone in the universe and the wonder of being able to travel the universe and to communicate with non-humans we would like to do it over coffee and he said it isn't going to happen because what happens when their minds telepathically download to our minds they are uploading every single thing we've ever experienced or thought from our minds and that the end result often is information is added by the non-humans into the human mind

17:18 that has had this experience but then we live on a planet where our fellow humans cannot even hear uploaded downloaded information from non-humans might be because we have taken the position as odd as it is that we are alone in the universe and this does not exist and dr mack after i told him that story he looked at me and he said you know i agree i think we are dealing with extraterrestrial biological entities in some cases but he said you know i think that it's too complex that it must involve time travelers other dimensions and that we are truly like little infants approaching something that is beyond our

18:19 and i will just close exactly on that with another man who died not long after i was able to talk with him somewhere like around 1992. he also served in the military high ranking some people had sought me out because he wanted to ask me a question about some of my and i will never forget he said linda this is all so strange and it has been so strange to all of us that have been exposed to it for so long that not any of us ever want to take it to our spouses our children or anyone we know not because it's threatening necessarily but because nobody knows how to have the discussion and today we are meeting at the national press

19:21 club in washington where there have been various revolutions before and it seems to me no matter how strange it is if we don't get past this point of having our government built on 60 years of lies to protect us the nation probably will implode and i think you know what i mean thank thank you dr greer well on that note it reminds me of a conversation i had with some people at the cia and there's a term that's used there and you'll forgive my vernacular where much of this subject is referred to as wsfm sounds like a radio station it means

20:21 weird science and freaking magic uh and that is the term that's used at the cia in other places to describe some of this and and i think that what we have to understand is that if you're dealing and and i do want to go into this because this is part of the the summary in brief i provided uh for in the obama briefing and if you're dealing with civilizations that are 10 to the 6th the 10th to the seventh years hundreds of thousands to millions of years technologically more developed than we every manifestation of their technology would look like magic to us for example if you were to go back to the time of thomas jefferson and show them an iphone uh or worse to salem massachusetts you'd be burned at the stake as a witch because everything would be absolutely look like magic so i think that we have to have a certain amount of humility in realizing that we're dealing with a universe that is vast and infinite uh that in our own galaxy alone which

21:24 has a 100 billion star systems the same number of stars that we have and as we have neurons in our brain interestingly and that we're dealing with civilizations uh just in our own galaxy which is one of billions that are able to go through interstellar now i want to touch on this for a moment because it deals with a little bit that that linda referred to in terms of trans dimensional or other dimensions and the technologies and the sciences dealing with this subject are what we have termed trans interstellar tdis and this refers to very advanced sciences and technologies where there is a nexus between electromagnetism and the magnetic field gravitational forces in three-dimensional space and time and what dr john at princeton uh in the engineering lab began to to to prove is the science of consciousness which was actually

22:24 an issue that i did talk a fair amount with with lawrence rockefeller about now a lot of people say well this gets into the deep end of the pool very quickly and in fact it does but i think that it's important to understand that if you're dealing with civilizations that have gotten here and that's what we're dealing with you're not dealing with something that can go just straight through space at the speed of light even because the speed of light is too slow and i remember when i was having uh dinner with um cia director woolsey and his wife and and and actually the really most insightful question came from dr woolsey who at the time was chief operating officer of the national academy of sciences and she said what i want to know is how are these communicating across the vastness of space because your cell phone and radio waves are going at the speed of light and i said yes that's just too speed of light is way too slow and i i had to to i had a gut check i said do i tell her the truth

23:24 and lose all credibility as a scientist and a doctor or do i tell her something that sounds but that's really not true and ever since then i have vowed that if someone is intelligent enough to ask the i will provide the answer as truthfully as i can so i turned to her and i said well dr woolsey is like this it turns out thinking is the best way to travel and the speed of is not quantifiable however when you start getting into the new physics that have been done where you have the ability to teleport across vast distances instantly and this has been done with particles but we're talking about civilizations that can do it with entire spacecraft and occupants you're dealing with an entirely new but their communication devices and their own innate abilities allow for thought actuated uh events and i know dr wood may mention this and

24:25 that he discovered when he was doing some work for uh old mag mcdonald and mcdonald douglas that he looked into some cases where some meetings with these et's involved a little box and there was a direct thought but it was also being facilitated through electronics and this is something that we call technology technology-assisted consciousness and thought and this is a very specific area of study that i really devoted about 22 years to which may be beyond the scope of this hearing but i think that in terms of just bringing this issue around there are so many aspects of it that are very exciting from the point of view of science technology and understanding the universe and ourselves and also who are we and where did we come from and how is it that we exist in this cosmos that is a and i agree with with edgar mitchell on this that is a conscious quantum hologram that is awake and that we are all part of and that

25:26 mind itself is the ultimate final frontier not space but consciousness in mind now i know that lawrence rockefeller was very interested in these things because i had conversations with him also um but one of the things that that that i found when i was working with these folks is that there's a saying in american business everyone wants to be first to be second and so in this case there's so many people who have had an interest to this but they want to hold back and not speak the whole truth about it but i think we need to be able to liberate ourselves to speak the truth and it involves many many complex issues part of which has been touched on in the last 15 or 20 minutes one thing i also want to point out is that if we're being visited by advanced civilizations and it's our assessment that certainly we are who is handling that relationship do we

26:27 cede that management to the military-industrial complex and what are the consequences of doing so think about this very carefully i remember doing a a meeting with uh the butcher's golly family the u.n secretary general his wife leah golly and we were talking about this and leah golly turned to me and she said dr gru we need you to do this now we need you to do i said i'm a country doctor in north carolina rattling around in an emergency you're the head of the world she says no we can't it's too dangerous for butros i'm quoting and then i remember talking this wonderful senator claiborne pell who was mentioned earlier and i was speaking with him and i and i would never gone to college if not for a pell grant because i was very very very poor grew up in north carolina i had no put myself through the last years of high school and college and med school but i mean really and what i most people don't know that but what i found when i was talking to senator pell who was chairman of the

27:27 foreign relations committee and i was at a meeting with with edgar mitchell and some other folks and i looked at him and he says he said dr greer i have been given any information on this even though i have inquired through any official channels and i said yes sir what a shame because the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee have been denied the responsibility of dealing with the ultimate foreign relations issue and i pointed to the stars above our heads and he looked at me through those hornworm grasses and said well you know dr greer you may be right i said well i am and i said well what a so i think this is another dimension there's a science and technology part of but there's the part of it about relationships and we are not alone in the universe and we to have a situation on this planet where our higher nature our better angels folks like senator

28:30 and others who would approach this in an enlightened way could reach out and form what has begun to be discussed in in the french government that i referred to earlier in this ministry of defense memo to me a peaceful interplanetary interstellar diplomatic initiative and to be honest with you that's how i first got involved with this was to establish such an effort which we are doing as a citizen's diplomatic effort but in the meanwhile i got diverted into this morass of the national security because i felt that our leaders need to know and more importantly the public need to know and we need to then figure out how we're going to advance and in the the summary i did for the president there are a number of action points and one of them is to appoint internationally a high-level committee of folks who could go out and make a peaceful contact that is not militarized that is not covert that is

29:32 not being run by the national security but is being done on behalf of all of us the children of earth okay um mr bartlett thank you very much appreciate your testimony uh very much we have a free press uh uh so called free press theoretically yes there are advantages and disadvantages of a free press they reported the boston bombing there will very likely be copycat things because that was reported where the press is controlled that would not be reported so there would be no copycats so there are some disadvantages to a pre free press where is the press in all of this if in there is a story to be told here why

30:32 isn't the press telling that story do they seem to be if there's a cover-up do they not seem to be complicit in that cover-up yes well can i comment on that by control from above i think this is a really central issue um and i actually over my 22 years of being deeply involved with this at various levels i have concluded that the is uh very much involving the fact that on certain issues we do not have a free press any more than we have a free market economy and i think that this is a serious problem and i have a document that will be in the materials that i'll i'm providing for the committee that is a 1991 cia document where it talks about the fact that they have folks at all the major media outlets wire services news magazines television networks to alter or delay and stop

31:32 stories that they would like to see stopped now this is uh was released briefly and then reclassified it was under the first president bush term and this is not a contested cie document what that means is is that on certain uh that this will be absolutely there will be an intervention and we saw this happen with the 2001 event at this national press club disclosure launch uh 12 years ago almost today on may 9th of 2001 and one of the people i dealt with uh bob schwartz who was on the board of time life that later became aol time warner and cnn the whole conglomerate he told that he was very good friends with uh mike wallace and he had given him a lot of these documents that we had and mike wallace has wanted to do this story at 60 minutes and uh corporate cbs and i think at the time was was controlled by westinghouse a big defense contractor did not permit him to do the story ira rosen who was at abc

32:35 news executive producer for 2020 in prime time live he came to my home in virginia out near thomas jefferson's home ironically and i gave him 35 digital hours of top-secret witness testimony and many and he said this if true is the biggest story ever i want to do this story i said well i'll cooperate fully he had gotten his emmy working with mike wallace at 60 minutes where he has and i said i don't think he'll be allowed to do this story and and um ira rosen said oh yes i'm the executive producer of these shows i can do it and i said okay well two weeks later he called me up and he said dr greer they won't let me do this story i said ira who are they and he said dr greer you know who they are now i could tell you probably a hundred stories like that and this becomes very worrisome here we are in the national press club and we have a lot of enormously important information and in the new york times if you have three confirmed sources for a

33:35 controversial story they can run with it here the disclosure project which i founded some years ago it was first project starlight i began to work with with lawrence rockefeller we now have over 500 many of them i have the names of them and they can be subpoenaed some of them about 100 of them we have on digital videotape why isn't this a story and i think that this becomes a very important question in a democracy you know if you have the larger media not covering something that 50 60 percent of the public believe is true and there's an enormous amount of of 4 000 landing cases the comedia report where they documented the landing and provence of a craft the bentwaters case where craft landed at raf bentwaters and physical trace that has been confirmed by the ministry of defense we have all this hard data and information we have radar traces of these objects moving we have pilot cases we have over

34:37 3 500 pilot reports in our in our this isn't a story how can that be now there's another reason the haha factor i have met with so many senior people in government who say i am so interested in this but don't let anyone know that i'm and the reason for it i think you know you could be gay and have five wives and do whatever i mean you could do anything and be out of the closet on it and it would be no problem but this subject whoa watch out because your career is on the line as mine was okay now i think that what you find is that the social a program that is appropriate term attached to this issue was launched in 1953 we have a cia that describes their attempts to debunk and ridicule the subject but also very to engage disney studios to make cartoons and movies about it that would marginalize the subject

35:38 this is a cia document little green men ha ha ha ha ha so that has worked and there's an air force major uh george feiler who i know he may be here who said look the secrecy really has been created mainly through the force of just people don't want to be made a laughing stock and i think that fear of ridicule by one's whether you're a senator or a doctor or university professor is a very hard thing to overcome once the counterintelligence people have done their business and they have on this and it is there is very serious information and intelligence and i think that we have to figure out how do we get around the truth embargo as as steve calls it in reality we're sort of in it it's not just the government doing the embargo it's we are doing the embargo because we have been brainwashed to laugh at this issue instead of look at it in a very serious scientific in-depth and honest and truthful way

36:47 so time keep how much more time does mr bartlett have three minutes okay thank you very much i would think that main reason the press is not covering his covering is a ridicule thing we've been watching the tweets on what's going on today they're not all positive they're not as negative as we thought they might be but but they're not not all positive tweets can i make a comment on this i want to turn for just go ahead yeah i just want to comment on this because i have had some involvement with this uh as you as i mentioned in my statement bill clinton asked webster hubble to go and get uh the answer to who killed jfk and if you go to the the files that have been recovered there's like five thousand almost six thousand pages of candidate assassination stuff that the clintons did uncover and he asked him to uncover jfk and ufos when that book was released friends in high places by hubble in 1997 that of course the very next day in the white house

37:47 press briefing this question was brought up is deborah oren who was no friend of of the uh clintons from new york post to ask the question she asked the president's press can you tell me did webster hubble get the job to go out and look at ufos and he walked around the question the first time and deborah oren in an interview said she came back with a follow-up question and she said i'd like to know it is what mr hubble writes in his book true and the press secretary for the president said i'm not going to comment what people write in their personal books and deborah oren said in an interview later she said i sat there and waited for someone to follow up on this very important question and the rest of the white house press corps rolled over and played dead and basically what it comes down to is if you if you've if you're worked your way up to the white house you don't want to be the one that asked the stupid ufo question you want to ask something very smart because you may end up losing your job you worked your way up there so a lot of it does have to do with the ridicule and a lot of it has to do with

38:48 i mentioned chase brandon who was this 42 years cia he writes a a fictional book about roswell and there was one of the stories that we'd always tried to track in the ufo world and that was by richard helms it was a statement where richard helms says we control all the media of any in america and we're trying to track this and if you look in chase brandon's his character in the book actually uses this statement jesse helms said we control all media of any consequence in america and the character says i wish he hadn't said that thank you thank you gravel can you come to any other as a body that our nation is essentially ruled by a military junta can you come to any other conclusion based upon all the statements that have been made well i think yeah i think it's not just

39:48 military i think it's a large macroeconomic and financial system so it's the military industrial corporate financial complex and i'm not against corporations however as jefferson said the unchecked power of a corporation and and see if our budget is 3.8 trillion dollars but we're talking about something that if it's disclosed would threaten the privately owned interest in the oil gas coal utility industries that are estimated in the multi-hundred trillions of dollars what tell is wagging the dog of our and that's the big question let me add to that i came across a study two years ago in switzerland uh zurich where uh an institute uh studied the interlocking directorates yes 43 000 corporations they winnowed it down to 350 and these are interlocking directorates into lockering family ties and the and primarily the

40:52 top ten were banks international banks and uh they own sixty percent of the wealth of the world correct you're aware that yes i'm very aware of that study yes congresswoman kilpatrick thank you this has been an absolutely awesome day the professional the professional testimony that we've heard awesome everything that you've said here this congress person knows it to be true from things that we've done in our own lives president and the military is always a friction there governors in their state military or police troops it's a little friction mayors and their police force it's a little something there who has the power i think that's an inherent something that our world witnesses and i certainly have over my 60 plus years of life i think it's important that we work with the foreign governments there's been 10 or 15 already identified

41:55 who have acknowledged this existence i want to be a part of that i want to go i want to see i want to all of that and i'm presenting myself for that because i want to do that the public-private partnerships i mentioned earlier today got to do it once upon a time this country had horse and buggies we moved to cars and now it's moving to something else there were no emails and computers and all of that if you ten two decades ago i mean evolving when you talk about oil gas and coal yeah that's the money and it's about money and power but who's to say you can't transition that to what we're talking about here today with the kind of partnerships that we have to build in order to do that so we phase out of oil gas and colon we're doing it already but we're just i don't think this issue is now that i've said here all day is separate from and i'm sure i'll know more about this by the friday but i think we have to look at it in terms of a comprehensive something

42:56 that's related rather than separate from the things that you all testify today and i know them to be true i don't even know people who have had this and in the last month since they found out i'm on it i get all kind of things from around the world happy you're going to be listening and i'm happy that i am listening but i want us to consider who that public private doctor for exactly dr excellent information all of that got to be funded i do money that's what i've done in my career i don't have anybody that's where i work that's why i've worked but but we can do this i mean we can do that with a pr if we broaden our scope it's not us and they or them and us it's or there's nothing right you know i think it's that important and i don't have the answer for it now i just know that there's something here that we've touched on at least in my little experience in these eight hours it's something to build on and i want us to consider that the military-industrial financial complex is real it's it's real i mean and everyone knows it it's real it's a real entity and it

43:57 really directs our world into various countries i can't speak for them i can speak for us and it's real not to be thrown stones at but to work with and i think when we bring them in as because actually the complex has more uh power than the president i'm sorry i hate to just put that on record the president not the person but the office is what i speak that when deal with it as again as a whole thing and not us over here and them over there we can do this stephen it's just going to take i think an international coalition that would help someone just said it help bring us to where we want to go to do some of the things we need to do and then finally for me the military intelligence committee we have to have that and it exists and we've always thought that it helps us do a lot of things like boston most recently and as big as iran iraq afghanistan and i've been all over the world in this job of mine but i in this capacity i'm offering myself for

44:59 that i i see that we can get to this this was a brilliant way to start at and build on what you guys have already done for these last 50-plus years this is the 21st century the 20th century is over it's about coalitions and partnerships and it's an international one that'll save our world and our country so to the all of you there you know you know i always say the woman she brings a whole nother perspective here thank you without notes and all of that if you harm god's animals and something from time to time as you just described in a way that we know nothing of or there's no blood or other liquids fluids that that's something that's i see i believe too and i'm going to end on this i don't have a question i'm making my final statement of the day of if you if you talk about everything we've talked about today and this is just day one i can't even imagine what we're gonna do the rest of the week but the hurricanes tornadoes fires winds i'm a biblical person i believe

46:00 it's biblical i believe that everything's going on what we're talking about now and the power that might be out there that we they are scared it's going to overtake us it won't overtake us because we're going to work with it we're going to build a partnership and and the sooner that we get it done the safer our children will be the more protected our seniors will be who built these great countries and the international connection is what we must do so for all of you today who've come before us and become for me specifically i just want to say thank it's not the big end it's just the beginning thank you very much congressman cook i do want to say that i've been most interested in your references to bill richardson now i may not be a member of their party i may be a member of a party that's uh opposed them on many many things but i have never known more intelligent and honest and

47:03 deeply committed members of the members of the administrations and many congress and everything else as they and in cabinet positions that that i think they held plus were almost going to be holding so um i and i've been deeply impressed as i've known even before today before what you stephen that these people have been prominent in wanting to end what you called the truth embargo uh certainly richardson has made statements that uh that he says hey definitely just to have somebody of his stature say that something landed in roswell and we need to have those files the reason i'm putting that background to this question is because i can already tell especially from our luncheon discussion as as former members of the congress that

48:06 there seems to be developing a consensus whatever we think of the evidence at this point we think there needs to be hearings and there needs to be official hearings again i'm i'm impressed that uh the attorney i forget his name right now has been working daniel yes that although he called for ua hearings initially he kinda was talking as his last statement that we need congressional hearings now i don't know folk whether this group this panel should be focusing on members of the congress to do something or members of the to do something and i also and or maybe i shouldn't use the expression rats chasing rats but maybe that's not such a well it's a little bit you know here's the nice thing about the new media we have a world now where we can stream uh the huffington post that's what i was saying okay the

49:07 huffington post did an article about the film sirius that's that's just been released that's based on our work uh it had like four million people look at it um i think that we can do a lot that we couldn't have done 12 years ago five years ago with the new media and the people's media that's one thing the other is that i would i want to put out a call for other witnesses from inside the intelligence and corporate world to come forward but who will come forward rank serial number name actionable intelligence one thing i want to comment on there is a confusion that's been in the room a little bit today between access and control now i just want to say that i have been able to provide actionable intelligence to where there would be access but you don't necessarily have control and i think we have to understand the difference for the president and for even some of these senior military officials that i've met with

50:07 and continue to meet with there is a huge problem there and this is something that does need to be fixed the media is one part the public is one part i think we have to get all these components going but something that needs to be looked at from a constitutional and national security point of view is that you cannot have information like this being withheld from the commander-in-chief and senior people like the defense intelligence agency head or the cia director which we know is going on and i think that if we cannot fix that our democracy is in danger of so is our world thank you okay our cleanup batter is uh julie i'm going to follow up on the aren't what you just said mr greer and that is you talk about access talk about control how do we all of us change that around so that

51:08 the president feels in control or the that heads up an agency feels in control give me some of your suggestions well you know one of the most poignant things that happened some years ago when i was wrapping up my almost three hour meeting with the cia director was that i gave him uh something very much like this that has a bunch of of recommendations for executive action executive orders and he looked at me squarely in the eyes and he said dr how do we disclose that which we don't have control over and i said you get control over it now you have to i hate to use the term lean into it and lean into it hard i mean the powers of the congress and the powers of the presidency and the courts are substantial and i think that if they are then denied access control over projects that that we can prove are going on that there should be serious

52:08 consequences to that because that is and i think that the other point is that the public have to demand this level of transparency which uh and and then ultimately there had it needs to be a a level of compassion for those who are trapped in a system that they are terrified to take on and and i think that this is why there has to also be a level of protection for people who want to step forward who are deep i mean i would love to give a list of names of folks that i have met with in very high and deep positions but they've asked me not to i recently put on youtube the testimony of a man who had worked with the cia who would not let me release it until he died and it's up there now palette go look at it i think that it deals with something you'll hear about later implants which were actually developed by the cia in the 70s and 80s my point is is that we have to also understand that many of these men and

53:10 women who come forward are enormously but there are many others who would like to but they can't just do it in some kind of a circus they also have to be assured of their protection and their safety and i can the whole intimidation issue from something that happened people are so afraid for their lives their families because they have had to non-disclosure agreements in which they basically are told if you say anything to anyone your family will suffer because you will not only be put in prison but all benefits will be denied your family i've talked with several people who have signed such disclosure agreements that are working on some capacity in the extraterrestrial and this really came home to me probably this was back around 1985-86 a security guard at lockheed martin

54:12 in the facility in denver had approached me because she had read my book my first book an alien harvest and she had asked for an autograph at some place where i was speaking and she she said if you need any help with anything i'll help you and she began to do some filing and various things and she was very i guess you would say she was she felt that an alien harvest was a book that she'd be out there in the world and one day she told me she had a friend working inside of lockheed martin in a position that was related to something that they were doing in aerospace but it was classified it was one of those office complexes where you had to have the need to know in order to enter or the red and the blue lights would spin and she invited him as a friend to uh go out to dinner or something and he said why don't you come over for we're

55:12 having a birthday party next weekend so this is somebody who has a confidential position and now she's going to house and she said i just thought your book would be the most perfect gift and she said i presented your book and he took it and he looked at it and he spun through the pages as if he already knew and he dropped it on the floor and said take this from this house put it in your car and don't ever talk with me about this and she was shocked because she didn't that the classified area must have had something very intimately to do with the subjects in an alien harvest which was about animal mutilations extraterrestrials law enforcement and research in something that the government denies and that is happening in so many ways

56:13 where people become so intimidated that they will not even accept the book so this is the close of day one we have four more days and i want to all of you out there in the audience i guess your audience your participants as far as i can tell and you stayed all day and i hope you're here all the way through friday because you are amazing and our witnesses have been great