Citizen Hearing 2013: The Truth Embargo

0:09 excuse me excuse me we need to start would you please swear on the witnesses miss hal and gentlemen if you would please stand and repeat after me i do hereby affirm that i will tell the and nothing but the truth to this committee today today thank you yes and this is uh what's been um well this is the as i understand it the truth embargo panel is that a fair statement of this panel great and a film as i understand it yeah thank you yes well as we get older and older i'm 77 right now you can't live forever you know so if this uh

1:10 procedure am i going to have to clean the blood doesn't work then i've got probably a few more months to make it before my kidneys shut down so that's kind of why i'm kind of going along with the interview at this time you're seeing that what you went through is just too important for people not to know about yeah yeah can you just let can we start at the beginning with your military career and just walk through what exactly your experiences were i was in uh drafted into the military and got into the u.s army after that i was sent to the signal training center science eastern united states what year would this be 58 i went through the signal training

2:15 and at that time i went through the radio teletype course and also the cryptography course crypto they had five instructors that were getting out of military so they pulled the top five students and i was third in the class so i got pulled as an instructor now were you at this time also working for cia no not yet no after one day my boss came to me and he uh said how would you like to you know make some extra money and i said oh money is good so he's explained to me that i could he could put it through like would i have to get a top secret white house queue clearance

3:19 for the job you know and i thought boy must be a pretty exclusive thing you and i said well what is this and he said that i'm director for the cia for eastern united states you know and i said oh i didn't know that and they said you weren't supposed to after about six weeks my security clearance came through and i got my cia card it was an id card like a credit card where i could just go up to the door and slice it walk right in and my uh name at that time i used artificial name never used my real name i started working with him on the project he was on and that was a

4:19 project blue book which was kind of partially a fraud you're saying some of the blue book cases were were completely fictitious yes but the cases that we got came from i think it was fort belvedere maryland fort belvoir yeah and it didn't come from the pentagon or it didn't come from cia headquarters but we would get reports about a certain sighting if they had it mexico or italy or something like that and then we would have to we had people that follow through on it they would go out interview the people to see if they were not cases or if it was real you know they'd be going overseas frequently i i wasn't but i always

5:19 statewide but uh the people we had working with us from cia would do that we would get like a new report probably a couple times a week i was coming into the army fresh off the farm you know so i really didn't much knowledge of anything but my boss filled me in on project blue book and what they had so far as far as greys and aliens and the roswell incident how did you feel when this first got dumped on you when you first learned about it i was just kind of overwhelmed with all of this you know and i said to him i don't know if i'm gonna be able to be a judge of this type of thing what's real what's not when i don't have

6:23 much knowledge of it you know so what did he say he said well we have to information as we go and you'll see how this thing is working out and then the other thing is of course you really weren't able to tell family or or close friends obviously i couldn't tell in fact i had to take a vow that i tell anybody a lot of it for 40 years and more of it for 50 years which is up in 2010. you're doing all this crypto work you're looking at images photographs video it's 1958 maybe the fall of 58. what happened after this at that time the project blue book thing kind of went pot you know if you back in those days they kind of declared

7:25 as a nothing you know right and they were telling the world all ufos are misidentifications hoaxes yes psychological issues whatever yes yeah so my boss came to me and he says we've both got a new assignment and he says well i said where are we oh he says we're going to the capitol i'm going to be part of the eisenhower push is trying to find out something about all about these aliens that mj12 was supposed to find out but never did never send back reports to him the mj-12 the ufo control group were they calling it mj-12 at that time yes they called us in went into the oval office and

8:29 i said president eisenhower was there in and they said we called the people in from mj 12 from area 51 and s 4 but they told us that the government had no jurisdiction what they were doing so being a general past general you didn't tell him to go to hell without any real good reason so he said i want you and your boss to fly out there i want you to give him a personal message he says i want you to tell them whoever is in tell them that to get in they have this week coming week to get washington and to report to me

9:31 and if they don't i'm gonna get the first army from colorado and we're gonna go over i'm gonna take the base over i don't care what kind of classified material you got we're gonna rip this thing apart eisenhower was going to invade yes harriet 51 yeah with the first army so you go out with your superior yes you fly out you land what happens can you describe this whole process what you saw it took us the 13 or 15 miles south to s4 and like different garage door openings okay and in these garage door openings they had like different saucer crafts the very first one had uh the roswell craft crafting he was

10:33 kind of crashed up but apparently every alien that was in a died except for a couple so you see the roswell craft and what are some of the others that you see well the roswell craft was really because it looked like real heavy aluminum foil we could walk next to it and you could rock it the whole thing probably weighed 150 300 pounds could they tell what the source of power was of this craft yeah it was a like a river's gravitational things some in fact one later on i got i got the the uh mathematical code for recursing and a three by five card i

11:33 i guess they are different types of and so on how did you see that evidence well at the uh later on it hit s4 we viewed the autopsy film and then the colonel said what we've got in here is we're interviewing a great alien all right right there how did you feel at that moment well i thought boy we had no idea we were going to see the real thing all we saw was film you had to have a little bit of heart racing at that moment my boss was able to go in and had a like a partial interview with him so what did this gray alien look could you describe him a little bit this one looked a little bit oriental so i'm i'm just wondering if if

12:37 it looked almost human what about this didn't look no it didn't look human as far as the skin tone and basically the shape of it and the size how was its head size compared with a normal human for example uh brain was kind of a little bit bigger and some of my nose was very very small and the ears were just like holes mouth was very small now why were they bringing you out here at all anyway to see an alien what was the point to go back and tell the president they actually had one so he did not know at this point if there was an alien at s4 no what did you do then at area were you done or did you have other things to do yeah so basically we were kind of done

13:38 went back to area 51 they took us into the main building and there we saw a u2 which of course we didn't know existed and the uh a model of the sr-71 the blackbird so but like i mentioned it was not a model of the current early version but an early version did you go directly to washington after this or did you go somewhere how did they get did you fly regular we flew back to uh the commuter plane back to the air base and then took president eisenhower's lockheed electra back to washington you and your supervisor superior officer and now you're meeting with the president

14:39 yes can you describe this well we met with him in boy the second story of the old oss warehouse building and uh eisenhower and nixon were there and also uber was there so he asked us what was going on and we told him about the alien whole and the uh black projects and so on and he was just totally shocked he appeared for the first time to be worried you know like he was worried i would think that eisenhower would i mean he certainly knew that flying saucers were real yeah he knew that there were aliens so i guess i'm just wondering

15:40 what would he have been you know really surprised about surprise about the black programs eisenhower said got to keep this thing completely secret you know can't talk about this your actual name is i mean the name you grew up with that was a different name than what you had in this i've never never used it in the cia at all now what about today you're going on the public record and this is still sensitive information even though earlier you talked about you know security oaths that maybe expire after a certain period of time two years but you're still concerned linda mo now's phone call her phone was tapped and they got my phone number and through the telephone company

16:40 they're able to find me and so on when they found you what happened i was going to a grocery store two guys in a black suits come out of a black lincoln town car and came over to see me and he told me i better not publish anything or talk to linda about any more things so at that time i did you know i stopped that was enough to intimidate you yes rather remain anonymous never show my face on anything really thank you for doing this yes this was i guess kind of a good idea because i feel much better having talked about

17:41 i kind of feel like there's a load off my shoulders really because i had an awful lot of secrets that i had kept over the years i'd like to now uh hear from linda moulton howe and go ahead you've got 10 minutes in the summer of 1994 i spent three days and three nights in that gentleman's home no one on the planet knew where i was not my family not anyone i recorded 11 90-minute audio tapes with him i knew that i was in the presence of somebody

18:41 who was telling the truth to the best of his ability and that the military cover of levels of intelligence in this country has been used for a very long on the surface he was a cryptologist working in the united states army but as he described in the film he took on a role highly classified working for the cia and his boss was reporting to langley from reports that were coming into fort belvoir and he described to me in great detail the autopsy footage that he had seen of non-humans describing the unusual brains and the unusual internal organs and the fact that they were screening disguised as being on a southeastern military base and that the film that they were screening on a regular basis was coming from around the world

19:42 he had seen film from italy in which non-humans were outside of a craft and the film had been from a nearby peak in a mountain he talked about area 51 from his first hand experience of being there on the other side of what would be a one-way mirror while his boss from langley was inside with a non-human and that he himself had seen some of the like a museum that's inside of papua's after those three days and three nights where no one knew where i was i left to do something that would be normal in the normal nine to five world and when i returned to my home then in philadelphia i remember going to the phone and and the last thing that we had agreed was that i would return in approximately

20:43 four weeks with a video crew in which i had was preparing a statement for him and for me to sign that i would do a videotape interview like my 11 audio tapes and i would hold it until after his death he thought that he was not going to live very long in 94. so i was surprised to hear his voice on my voicemail say linda my wife and i went to the supermarket after you left and two men were leaning against our car when we came out of the supermarket and they said we want to remind you that you have been a loyal american and we are here to tell you that you are never to talk with linda moulton howe again or to discuss this subject none of those 11 hours of my audio tapes would have been in the phone calls so it

21:44 means that they were listening to our three days and three nights in the house and i promised him from that point on that i would never discuss him or the material and in fact later on i received information from someone unknown that he was dead so i am personally gratified to see that he made a statement today for the citizen hearing because he is scratching the surface of how complex this is and how military and intel people have been for not only their whole careers but their whole lives to never tell the truth about something so fundamental as we are not alone in this universe that non-humans have been interacting with this planet for millennia and you have just heard from one of the i had placed before you a prepared

22:45 concerning truth embargo and a whole experience that i had in kirtland air force base in 1983 that would have been a decade before being able to talk with this man i hope that you will read it in its entirety i know i don't have this morning to go through it but i can summarize that blocking truth that we're calling the truth embargo has been the intent of the american government's official policy of denial since 1947 when the president truman administration decided that all information about non-human intelligences interacting with this should be kept from the public and media and that includes congress and the supreme court and all machinery of our government except for those as having quote unquote a need to know and the pro-words and the numbers that have gone with the few

23:47 people who have had total access in mj 12. i encountered truth embargoes repeatedly as i investigated the bloodless trackless animal mutilations in colorado and the surrounding region for my tb documentary special of strange harvest beginning in september of 1979 and i have provided for you a letter from united states senator harrison schmidt dated march 14 1979 it is attached to my statement and it was a letter that apollo astronaut and then u.s senator harrison schmidt of new mexico had sent to constituents announcing a conference in albuquerque to be held on april 20th to discuss the ongoing persistent problem of animal mutilations and he wanted the department of justice in the federal bureau of investigation to investigate and that

24:48 1970-99 meeting was held and five months later in september 1979 as director of special projects at the cbs station in denver i began what became a nine-month 18-hour a day seven days a week investigation and i went to santa fe and i did an with senator schmidt and one of the most important things that he told me was to my question are you aware of any intelligence committee or any agency that you have communicated with who has told you that we are dealing with extraterrestrial biological entities as perpetrators of worldwide animal mutilations as law enforcement repeatedly had told me and i remember the pause and the look on his face when he said no and i remember that his next words were

25:52 but i am not surprised at your question or the implications and his request as a united states senator to have the department of justice in the federal bureau of investigation formally investigate animal mutilations was blocked he told me that firsthand the rest of the pages of the statement that i have submitted to you occurred after i was contracted with home box office on march 21 1983 to do an hour special that would follow up a strange harvest about the animal mutilations and they had a working title in the contract that i would produce for them an hour special called ufos the e.t factor and at the time there was an attorney in new york named peter gersten he was the first attorney to file against the cia the nsa national reconnaissance organization the defense intelligence and other military agencies under the

26:55 brand new freedom of information act foia for documents that those agencies had and what peter gerstin found was initially the central intelligence agency denied that it had any information or documents but that the national security agency had 118. so he would send the central intelligence agency's formal letter to the national security asking for the documents referenced by the cia and the national security agency would send him a formal letter referencing referencing the fact that the central intelligence agency had 35 documents shared with the national security agency and eventually he assembled dozens of documents that came from those agencies each one pointing a finger at the other it went to the supreme court and the supreme court denied to hear what essentially was a new york attorney representing citizens against

27:56 ufo secrecy and what was called ground saucer watch under the first freedom of information act simply asking for information from our government about documents that they all said they and even though the supreme court denied the carrot that they would take on that lawsuit out of it came many pages of blacked out information that has been held up by stanton friedman and others of us over the years that agencies who are not allowed to speak and who have been responsible for counter-intelligence since world war ii to convince us that there's nothing to this phenomena the very agencies the witness has about one minute remaining they are the very agencies who have the and have been interlinked with majestic 12 that was appointed by president harry s truman within a very

28:56 short period of time after the crash retrievals in july of and the majestic 12 mj-12 whatever the letters and numbers are in 2013. the same kind of inner sanctum agency still exists interacting with other inside inner sanctum black agencies there is a parallel black there's a parallel government and this is how the truth that this gentleman described and that many people in our government have known since at least 1941 when there was another crash retrieval from missouri and an instrument called a neutronic unit was hand delivered to openheimer for his use in developing and researching what became the atomic bomb and finally the truth embargo

29:57 so that you would have reference to the two agencies that in the beginning had the most information the atomic energy commission and the department of the navy all of those documents of all of the truth that he has said that i have tried to report about now for 33 years they are essentially off limits to any access by congress or even the because they are classified as only under a need to know and probably suitland maryland archive has them in the what this is time thank you like to now the panel will hear from richard dawn you have 10 minutes greetings honored members of the committee i'm very pleased about the interview that everyone was just shown and grateful that linda moulton howe was able to elaborate on that

30:59 i'm happy to discuss this also if the committee members have questions but i have a different angle of approach uh this time the truth embargo as ice as i see it as i understand it let's call it a big picture analysis i would start by saying one of the striking things about ufos is simply the between the quantity of astonishing sightings we have on the one hand and the lack of responsible treatment of this by our major media are also our academic and our scientific institutions and indeed our political this is a shame because there's very good research that's being done every day many of those researchers have been here this week others are out there too such as the national aviation reporting center on anomalous phenomena narcap which was referenced in the previous panel by jim corrant they collect and analyze encounters that the aviation industry has had with unknown objects there are thousands of such cases another group is project 1947. which was

32:00 which is documented ufo phenomena during the early cold war years there are outstanding web search uh websites such as ufoevidence.org there are also many excellent research groups in europe and elsewhere in the none of them get any love from america's dum-dum media which prefers to lump the whole subject into a big tinfoil hat and instead write about the latest escapades of kim kardashian but this this is a symptom it's a symptom of a deeper problem and to understand why there is a truth embargo we need to come to terms with the fact that america's media groups lost their independence a long time ago we all know about media consolidation we all know about the intimate relationships that have existed for between the elite members in the corporate media empire and the political leadership and with the military and intelligence community last year one example only it was learned that the pentagon spends some four

33:00 billion dollars a year to sway public now aside from asking just why americans ought to be paying their own government to brainwash them i mean talk about getting shafted both this is just one facet of many that highlight a revolving door through which passes the military industrial complex the media the academic community and more national security money which is our nation's greatest and most egregious waste of all has infiltrated everything and that certainly means the once upon a time of our journalists and media this is repugnant to any freedom loving but those individuals benefiting from this system are not freedom loving unless they mean their own freedom the bottom line is that because ufos are a definite matter of national security those national security decision makers have made it certain that the subject remains out of sight as much as possible

34:02 is this not obvious by now now why would they do this well many reasons let's touch on the matter of oil because even a child can understand that these objects don't need oil to go from point a to point b whatever powers flying saucers it's something different something better so if the president were to announce the reality of these things how long do you think it would take before scientists openly begin to study the nature of the propulsion and power system of ufos this would immediately challenge oil not simply as the world's leading source of power but it would severely threaten the entire global financial system which is based upon oil and probably 90 percent of the value any product you can think of is determined by the energy that went into making and transporting it and in most cases that means oil to say nothing of the millions of jobs that rely on the petroleum industry we're talking one big overhaul of everything that matters in the global can we think for an instant that those

35:04 in the know haven't thought about this especially if there is that holy grail involved some form of free energy what if this new form of energy can't be easily monetized what if could the global financial structure afford free energy a perverse question to be sure but one that has to be important to those individuals at the top of the human power structure and of course there is the political nightmare any announcement of this would come at the cost of worldwide public anger no one wants to learn that they have been lied to for an entire human lifetime they would want to know just how this secret was kept that's very very big key right there that would lead inevitably to questions about why congress was kept out of the loop why our major institutions missed the boat and just who has been managing the and that would lead obviously to a wholesale investigation of black budget shining sunlight into a very dark place

36:05 and what might we find well consider just consider that roswell was indeed what the researchers here two days ago discussed so eloquently and that it was the retrieval of alien technology and perhaps bodies in fact there are a number of well-researched ufo crash events so suppose for a moment that it happened that would mean that the cover-up involves much more than mere knowledge of other beings here on planet earth it would mean there is possession of such advanced technology as to be nearly incomprehensible at least at first hard to consider and yet an inevitable so what happens when teams of brilliant scientists with total secrecy and nearly limitless black budget funds are able to study recovered alien technology for many years and even decades could it not be that given enough time and effort even if they couldn't replicate what they found they might have learned a few some such claims have been made and it's

37:07 reasonable to suppose that breakthroughs would have been made breakthroughs such as solid state electronics fiber optics high tensile fibers lasers and an array of other money making for the defense and other industries none of this has been proven but it is also true that the private research undertaken in classified environments is easy for outside researchers to observe in fact it would be very easy to hide the roswell connection in the historical treatment of these and other technologies another relevant consideration of such breakthroughs is that they would reduce to zero any incentive to reveal the secret to the public why give up the goose that lays golden but now matters become even more interesting because what if some of the breakthroughs were even more significant what if what if they included secrets to what is known as field propulsion or electrogravidics what if they led to a new source of energy something that could replace petroleum

38:07 to those managing these special access they could never allow such breakthroughs to see the light of day of course those scientists doing the research would need to continue and learn everything they could about electrogravitics anti-gravity new sources of energy and any related topics consider also what happens when such breakthroughs become classified we know it happens all too frequently that public science has become hostage to national security what we're looking at is a situation in which the classified black budget world at least part of it has gone so far ahead of the rest of us we may with almost look upon them as a separate society something i've sometimes called a breakaway how far ahead might some of that classified world be those of us on the outside trying to peek in can only make educated guesses or investigate occasional leaks my own conclusion at least for now is that they

39:09 very far ahead indeed with the ability even to enter and leave earth orbit with much greater ease and people suspect perhaps a clandestine space fleet most likely a significant built a large portion of which is deep underground and even why not possible encounters with non-human intelligences why would that be so impossible to what extent would such a group even answer to the president of the united states do they rather answer to private financial powers which basically is how the whole world already operates i had a long conversation once with a retired senior intelligence official he had given briefings to hate interrupts uh the witness has about one minute i just want you i have one minute left thank you this gentleman had given briefings to president reagan this man knows a very great deal about ufos and told me that he had spoken to 18 former presidents cia directors and dod secretaries about

40:10 ufos after their retirement their attitudes fell into three categories one group roughly three or four of them said essentially what's wrong with you why waste your time with that nonsense another equally small group made it clear that they had been briefed on the matter and knew that it was serious but the largest group at least half of all of the individuals who had been at the pinnacle of power had said you know about ufos i would love to know about that but got nowhere can you share what you in other words our top political leadership with a few exceptions is locked out of this subject because they come and go but the program managers are lifers they seem to answer to someone else recall the words of the late senator daniel anyway from 1987 there exists a shadowy government with its own air force its own navy its own fundraising mechanism and the ability to pursue its own ideas of national interest free from all checks and balances and

41:10 free from the law itself he was on to something thank you you our uh the last two two witnesses have been particularly good at keeping it right within the time limit we sure appreciate that uh uh jeffrey taurus you got 10 minutes oh my pleasure well good day to everybody my name is jeffrey torres um i'm not going to talk about myself much i'm a veteran i serve the united states air force um i'm talking here about today about my i'm the son of major milton john taurus my father father served in the u.s air force from 1951 to 1971 and regrettably my father cannot attend his hearing as he is now suffering from mental health directly related to combat from the vietnam war i told him on before i left that i was coming on his behalf and he expressed his deep gratitude that

42:11 i was coming here today to testify and tell you folks his story first of all i would like to give you a brief history of who my father was in his accomplishments dad earned a bachelor's degree in general engineering with a minor in and he completed his master's degree in aerospace engineering from university of oklahoma in 1961. his military career was spent over the span of 20 years dad served as a fighter pilot flying the according to him the best airplane ever as well as the f-100 he was a decorated pilot achieving the title of usaf command pilot dad flew over 300 combat missions in as a forward air controller in vietnam he was he received 13 air medals including the distinguished flying cross and i know firsthand that he was even put in for the air force crossed he denied because of political reasons

43:12 which we'll not get into here uh my father attained a rank of major as well as during his career he also worked with nasa as a reign chief of range control for the gemini and apollo moon missions after dad retired from the united states air force dad worked for pan am as an engineer and later acquired his doctorate in mechanical engineering from university of miami my father's last job was as a professor at florida nash university teaching engineering during his tenure at fiu he invented a chemical encoding using a polymer to prevent catastrophic metal fatigue on aircraft and received a patent for that process dad retired from fiu in 2004. so now we'll go on to dad's story and the event that happened i will go into some details he shared with our but before i do i want to point out something here that my father he kept his secret

44:15 for over 50 years he never told anyone and he honored his oath to this country and he never had the chance to tell his story to my grandfather his father who he loved very very much and i've never seen my father cry until this story broke sadly my father kept it all from everyone including us and my family not even telling his father's story when he was the closest man that he ever had um i know dad would never have discussed this event if not for it being declassified by the minister of defense nick pope out of the uk um after the event was declassified dad shared the story often with us it was may 20th 1957 dad was stationed at raf manston england dad was working on intercept standby of course this was cycled between the

45:16 pilots in this particular event it was dad's turn dad was again flying the f-86d this aircraft was a d model which meant it was an all-weather fighter dad told me that the raf manson was a main intercept squadron during the cold in england dad was on alert with his wingman and some of the ground crew in the ready room that night was a typical english night with the weather being poor and foggy the notification came down from the ready room uh indicating a scramble dad ran for his the scramble was initiated dad jumped in his cockpit um if you if you could please uh i put the um the photo of dad's aircraft if anybody would like to see the airplane and i have i have one the uh saved on anyhow so he jumped in his cockpit upon getting the authentication code to fire he then he realized that this

46:17 was no drill they normally would never give you authentication code and they told him it was a hot mission he had orders to shoot this thing down dad told me whatever this thing was they wanted it down and he thought he was starting world war iii all kinds of thoughts were in his head the intercept controller ordered dead fire full salva of 24 rockets at this dad later told me he knew full well how serious this event was dad was in his aircraft his aircraft came to fly and and he was given the order to go gate which meant full afterburners were to be used after getting airborne dad said do you want me to continue with the affirmative go gate in other words they wanted him to close in on this thing and they wanted him there fast dad was told to vector over the north sea the object had been sighted hovering over east ipswich dad told me he had a confrontation a confirmation of the target acquisition from the ground radar his jet flying with full afterburners

47:19 was now headed towards the north sea and dad was flying 32 000 feet and full after burner and heavy cloud counter was covered with zero visibility however with his radar his radar was pointed painting a target as big as an aircraft carrier at that altitude dad was fast the target and the car object kept pulling in front of him just beyond it was toying with him finally he was able to get his radar lock on on an dad said this thing was huge and the blip was so big that was easy to get acquisition right before he got the instruction to fire from the radar control set the target made an erratic side-to-side and moved beyond range causing dad to lose lock on his target the object then accelerated from from to mach 10 and second in in in seconds and dad was unable to fire his result he

48:19 lost complete lock dad told me his radar his wingman's radar on the ground radar confirmed it as well they had lost lock and they were totally perplexed as to what happened so make a long story short the most compelling thing dad said was that this thing was doing things that no ordinary aircraft could do it was defying the laws of physics and he was convinced that it was of alien origin anyhow um and during that time there's nothing in the air force that could come close to it the f-86 could barely make point nine point nine eight mach it would make mach one and his complete dive at the time and this thing did mach 10 there's no known aircraft that could do this um so upon landing his aircraft i was contacted by the intercept officer on a secure on the line told him what happened was considered classified and not to discuss this

49:20 with anyone from his wing man to his he would be debriefed in the morning dad told me he realized how lucky he was if he did manage to fire at this optic you probably would have vaporized him and off the record he sold it he was scared shitless so um so he did tell me that um the following dad reported for duty a call came in from a man that was from the nsa and he called them a spook for us it was much more personal this whole event because the spook came and uh swore dad to secrecy that he would never ever repeat what he'd seen and it was a matter of national security the guy showed his credentials he locked himself in a room with dad for about a half hour and threatened to pull his wings and everything else that he held dear including you know god knows his family

50:21 the witness has about one more minute okay i'll make it short you know my dad waited 40 years for this and i i forgive me i'll make it qui quick here my you know guys like my my dad are heroes guys like edgar mitchell when i was a i watched these guys from from the side of the beach watching the apollo moon launches and now we're we're riding with the russians to the moon now we can't even go ourselves anymore and yet the the media has blasphemized these great men you know how can they how dare them how dare them and how do everybody stay silent here when people like my dad held this secret that people died and it never could tell the secret in vietnam it's a shame it's a real shame that our media has bought and paid for by the kardashians and

51:22 and the corporate industries of this country and the world and this truth needs to come out because there's a lot of people including my family who suffered and ridiculed my father got ridiculed my brother took phone calls from ridiculing people and my dad had a phd what more do they want astrophysicists are saying these things are real and we're being ridiculed that's all i have to say and help this i want to thank the panel very much and uh will indicate to the members that we we've

52:23 got six minutes uh each for uh for questioning i will reserve my minutes and we'll reverse the order a bit here and uh so we're to senator gravel uh linda would you uh when this gentleman that was interviewed and this would go to richard also when he was talking about uh that he saw an extraterrestrial being uh was it dead or alive so we we had we had imprisoned this person or this being uh could you elaborate a little bit about that many more than one we have had many more than one in this particular case this was at area 51 inside of the mountain if you look at a map the inside

53:23 of the papoose mountain at area 51 is an installation multi-leveled hidden by the papoose mount many people have leaked to me and to others about working there and in there are offices as we would recognize as offices and his cia boss and the man in the film and a couple of others were taken to one of these offices where there was a one way uh on the other side i don't know because his it's his point of view was it a mirror or was it a reflective glass but the man you just heard was standing on this side of the glass looking at his in the room with i believe it was two and then the gray alien was dressed in something like

54:24 they had tried to make it look sort of american it had on a t-shirt and as if they had put clothes on it right at the last minute for this and it was telepathic and each mind in the room was communicated telepathically and he had a discussion later on with his boss and the the general impression was that the non-human was trying to answer their questions but that it was very succinct and that they asked questions such as how many of you are here on this planet there would be no answer there would be other questions that were of a technical nature and there would be answer and yet on other questions they all clearly heard telepathic

55:28 they elaborate on telepathic information mind to mind mind to mind i would just add um i recall the witness speaking about that and um certainly i exactly right linda what he said to me in terms of the one very few specific answers this being allegedly gave but to one is why are they here there was not a direct answer except a reply that uh we are not hostile or thoughts to that effect when you say telepathic that means that being was communicating directly understood the way our mind worked now were we able to telepathically communicate with them or was it a one-way street i can add something here along those lines and then humans by definition live in a mental island and we're dealing with intelligences that

56:30 not only can place thoughts images movies symbols directly into human minds very easily they simultaneously upload information from human minds and i have had the experience of with a man who was working for the central intelligence agency when he had an interaction with one of these beings there have been many sir and that his whole mission was to have the experience of the upload download telepathically with a being under a completely non-threatening totally organized fashion and he told me that they had warned him that the process of the telepathic download upload usually disables humans humans usually faint and that he had the experience and the way he described it was he said linda imagine

57:31 seven feature films going through your mind at the same time with heat temperature sense sound all of the senses and more and then over line those seven feature films are three-dimensional gold symbols that we would relate probably to sumerian cuneiform or assyrian symbols and that all of that goes through your head in a matter of what your your brain your human brain not being able to interact but has a sense of very rapid time and then when it's all over as he said if god asked me what had been downloaded into my mind i could not tell you but i know that everything that i have ever lived was uploaded that is frankly the level of telepathic interaction that has been going on in this planet for a very long i my time is expired but uh maybe later on we'll come back because i have other

58:31 okay thank you we'll go to uh hooley yes thank you mr chairman you talked about your father thank you very much for doing that that he had kept the secret for years how or why did he finally communicate the information to you and the family well it started started much later he started organizing raf master he so loved his his squadron that he uh organized trips to england and cruises and and i met his buddies by the way and they're all just the greatest guys a lot of world war ii veterans

59:32 and he would uh organize these trips and you know i guess at this point he started trying to find out answers as to why this had happened to him so he was asking his squadron mates and i guess he felt a little comfortable at that point he had been retired for a number of years and uh he ran across nick pope and they were able to declassify the event but it took many years after that that it was declassified but he had started to speak about it after the reunions um but he would never speak publicly and uh you know as a matter of fact uh i had no that this had happened that he had carried that burden and my grandfather and him were extremely tight and he he cried that he couldn't tell his own father because of that secret and he didn't tell the soul can you imagine doug fighting like this this fellow the other day from peru and

1:00:33 yet when he landed the spooks that were there on the ground greeted him and said hey let's find out what that was our spooks told them never talked about it to anybody including your wife your your your family your your colonel your nobody could he talked to nobody and he carried that and i can tell you when i saw him cry on stage my dad has now lost his voice because of you know agent orange and and all of the crap that goes with it but i've found mine i'm i'm my father's i will i will get answers i promised him so thank you thank you mr dolan um is there a way to

1:01:36 put together people for example we've heard a lot over the last four and a half days about the number of pilots who have seen um other other kinds of vehicles that are not from the united states or from this world flying is there is there a way to get some of these pilots together i mean are they willing to talk about what they saw do you know thank you for the question first of all i i would just repeat the name of the organization i mentioned earlier in my statement narcap which is the national aviation reporting center on anomalous phenomenon i mentioned them because they they are very rigorous very scientific very low key very non-sensational and uh

1:02:38 deal precisely with these individuals that you're talking about and have done so for decades there have there have been a number of cases in which we've had pilots go on the record in fact there's there's no lack of very good data and information out there is it the problem is unfortunately that uh these individuals who are all sober and careful and as you heard in the previous panel still get ridiculed by the media they get the tinfoil hat placed on them this is something that none of us have found a way to get around that no matter how rigorous we are in my own my own work uh years ago when i started researching this phenomenon i i had this naive idea really i did that if i just did the most rigorous careful historical treatment of the phenomenon that i could then that just might be the bullet the bat that hits the ball out of the park and you know it didn't happen uh we keep

1:03:39 um i i would say that we're in an era now where where global communication among researchers has improved and is improving so that i am looking forward to uh i think the next few years where there really should be better coordination among groups in the united states and to be able to put together events like this and i think more is better i think with the social media that there's a possibility that you might be able to do that i mean that people seem to trust pilots rightfully or wrongfully they trust pilots and they're the most logical group who fly all the time we are back and forth across this country across this world that as they see see what they've seen it seems to me that there would be some validity i mean the public would accept that premise if if enough of them

1:04:42 got together and talked about it when you add up enough of the near misses and encounters that are up in the air it's starting gentle ladies that time has expired thank you we'll then go to woolsey you have six minutes uh thank you uh jeffrey taurus for your thank you thank you so much and congratulations richard for that video thank you you did such an amazing job uh and it was so helpful because you didn't leave the witness ever i mean the gentleman you we it was clear he that's who he is and that's what he wanted to say thank you very much thank you very much linda you um have said i think more than this week that non-humans are acting within our environment

1:05:43 what do you mean by that and how do you know that's happening and i mean give me some examples other than being in a space vehicle and getting you know coming to earth well i mean if that's it tell me that i guess it's the accumulation of so many people that have talked to me off the record who have died who have died that i was a chance to talk to people who were in some sort of a the end of their days and i'd either been sought out or i had been and when you were talking to people who are essentially on their death

1:06:44 bed and they are describing for you the interactions that they've had with extraterrestrial biological entities in the context of their professional capacity for the united states government how would i question what they were saying to me can i provide for you right here in this one of the many different types of extraterrestrial biological entities i do i believe that these primarily male individuals who have shown to me at least enough evidence about where they worked which not always connects to where they get their paycheck that they are telling me the truth about their life and their experiences with extraterrestrial biological entities craft technology the

1:07:45 physics that we have been encountering and stunned by i believe them and i'm a long time tv producer and investigative and as i have said before the challenge of getting people on the record is the single biggest difficulty in this entire field because since world war ii our extremely good and sophisticated counterintelligence units that got us through world war ii are exactly the people who took over at the request of franklin delano and harry truman how do you keep all of this evolving from the press the congress the supreme court and every other government agency yeah okay but thank you um somewhere between now and the the end of this day i'd like somebody to describe

1:08:46 for me the different uh non-humans that we that have been observed uh and and what the differences are and do they intermingle and i i mean i think we've not asked that question well i can give you at least a short answer okay one man who retired from the defense intelligence agency who sought me out because of something i had published in one of my four books and he had been exposed to it but because everything is so compartmentalized on a need to know basis he came to me as a reporter and it goes to the heart of what he said he said my job when i was working for the defense intelligence agency was to study and monitor the geopolitical territory of conflicts of three extraterrestrial biological entities who have been involved with this planet for at least 270 million years he broke them down as blond-haired blue-eyed that we would not distinguish from the so-called

1:09:47 archangels of history the second group would be standing up reptoids and the third group would be a huge variety of what are called greys okay and do they uh intermingle are they all separate they do not get along they do not get along i would add if i may that research has pointed out even a greater variety than if you want to depending on how you uh deal with abduction research there is some of this as fairly extensive they would talk about insectoid type creatures and then let's not forget there are a large number of individuals who have had or claimed to have sometimes i think persuasively to be honest with you some form of contact with other beings that is not physical this is a very difficult uh subject to get one's hand on but these stories do not go away who are these beings are they are they good bad and different to our fate is

1:10:47 another issue we can discuss in terms of interrelationships you're asking exactly the kind of question that many researchers still would like to get to the bottom of okay thank you thomas gentle yes thank you uh jeffrey torres i i was very interested in your testimony you said something and i think i know what you meant but you didn't exactly say it this way so i'm going to ask you if this is what you meant and it's kind of a yes or no question you said that what your father witnessed in terms of the of the particular object defied the law of physics well i don't think physics law as we currently understand it says that you can't move very very there's no limit on acceleration or velocity to my understanding of course bartlett may be able to help us more than i can on that but

1:11:48 what i think he meant to say is it any technology we know that can achieve those kinds of accelerations and motions am i correct in understanding that well more than that what he meant was that that if there was a fighter pilot in that other aircraft he would have died from the g-forces the the there were so many extreme maneuvers that this thing had made um that it couldn't have been he was he was convinced that it was of alien origin and he actually um because of that he actually went to for his uh aerospace engineering degree and then he worked with verner von braun and the nasa space program under the the saturn and the um uh uh several of the moon launches and and and he ended up doing our phd yeah he has so many questions i have and i have no question of his qualifications

1:12:49 i just want yeah no i mean it just it just was an impact on him he just understand it he wanted knowledge for sure so he's wondering if there might be extraterrestrial explanation of what he observed right and it's interesting but i need to reclaim my time i'm sorry yeah it's an interesting what i was going to tell you is that of all the people in my life i've encountered yeah uh my dad was a consummate scientist he was an atheist he he's he's just this this total right-length brain i appreciate it thank you and i believe it that he was an outstanding scientist richard dolan so i'm going to turn to you and ask you this um researchers have looked at a lot of things related to this the maneuverabilities are certainly but one of the reasons why i think there is skepticism that these objects have extraterrestrial origins is because i'll just put it bluntly einstein's

1:13:50 relativity theory that nothing can go than the speed of light what are the most compelling studies of people that could explain distance questions without suspending einstein's theory of relativity law of physics that's well accepted that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light mr cook i'm very very grateful you asked that question um first of all i i just want to mention that regarding atmospheric phenomena objects that seem to seem to defy the laws of physics but of course they don't nothing defines the laws of physics so the question was asked previously why don't they make sonic booms how do they how do the piles withstand g-forces all of this is related i would just point out there has been there was an outstanding study done years ago by a retired nasa scientist paul hill who was known throughout nasa as their go-to guy for ufos and his exact question was how is it

1:14:50 that ufos do what they do and his conclusion in his study published posthumously in the 1990s unconventional flying objects a scientific analysis was that they do not if you assume because nothing works aerodynamically it doesn't make sense but it makes sense if if you factor in what he called a field field propulsion that is a kind of anti-gravity and in now what he couldn't figure out was what is the source of power for that no one knows that but um actually hill did an outstanding sub uh work his mathematics is very and i would simply recommend it to everyone now the distance problem has also been discussed by a number of uh scientists in the last probably most uh famously the uh mathematician miguel alcubierre who uh the math on on what he did seems to be very very good according to physicists essentially um think warp drive and star trek in the sense that if you have a source of power significant enough um

1:15:51 it is possible and has been demonstrated mathematically to uh for a craft literally to kind of the space ahead and elongate it behind you're not violating uh einstein's uh e equals m c squared time only for the reason to just like this last question to you uh when you say that you're kind of using anti-gravity as a way of saying we don't have to suspend einstein's first well theory of relativity but if you do that then you're suspending a second theory the gravitational theories so what i'm asking let me ask you this aren't there researchers out there that have put together concepts or statements or proposed theories that say hey if you travel even ten percent of the speed of light and if you have oh absolutely absolutely in fact stan freeman who's here earlier this week has discussed this at length there's a gentleman named paul lavoiette another one named thomas vallone both of whom have done a lot of work in electric

1:16:51 i think it's very sound and worth worth anyone's attention thank you i see my time has expired so we're going with you representative all right thank you all very much for your for your testimony that there is a cloak of frequency i think is uh like the symptoms of a very serious disease if the doctor doesn't know the etiology of the disease it becomes very difficult to treat the how in the heck did we get here with this cloak of secrecy you really can't treat the disease until you know how it was engendered and i appreciate your testimony mr dolan very much you uh suggested at one possible ideology for

1:17:53 for for this uh this for the symptom of this cloak of secrecy let me suggest another one that may give us the hope that it will be because if you're right and i hope you're not and but if you're right there's no hope that there are little hope that they're going to reverse this uh cloak of of uh uh secrecy let me suggest another one for 20 years before i came to the congress i worked for the military in every capacity you can work for the military directly for them captive navy uh contractor eight years for ibm as an independent contractor roscoe bartlett and associates doing research work for the military and for the past 20 years until just four months ago i was in the u.s government 20 years on the armed services committee 20 years interfacing with the leaders of our military and our government i will tell you that i think that all of those that i have met make their decisions in the base of what they think

1:18:54 best for america and i think that these decisions i would like to believe that these this decision it was made very quickly after roswell was it not within a few hours the decision was made that we were going to have a cloak of secrecy over this let me suggest that they made that cloak of secrecy because they thought that if they revealed the truth the american people they would be panic like the panic after war of the worlds on on radio with h.g wells if that was in fact their the etiology for this then it becomes pretty easy to reverse it because now after all these years there is no evidence that that if there are extraterrestrials there's no evidence that they are hostile so now all these years when we're trying to protect the american people from themselves i'm not sure i agree with that judgment by the way that they need to be protected from but all these years we didn't protect them because we knew better than today but now obviously there's no

1:19:55 threat because these people have been here for a very long time if in fact they're extraterrestrials so now we can come clean with the american people how about that wise word sir i agree agree with you i think that um the secret has its own momentum it generates its own profitability it generates his own bureaucracy it generates its own need to continue it seems to me how do you how do you tell the world that you've been lying for 60 plus years i think you tell them sir because you thought that was what you had to do because you couldn't you couldn't have the kind of panic that occurred after the war of the worlds this little thing on radio certainly we agree on uh and and certainly i think we could say that in the very beginning the secrecy would have started precisely because it was not known how could president truman really know what he was dealing with how could his advisors really know so uh it seems logical to me i'm sure many people think about it that you would you would say wait a minute let's let's get together let's think about this

1:20:56 let's figure out what we have and we'll come to a decision you know at a certain period of time my own belief is that breakthroughs in understanding the technology were made greed comes into the factor money comes into the factor power and the incentive just goes away and i i would i think that through the eisenhower years at the very least how quickly certainly they know that when they were there entities these uh biological entities but i hesitate dudes that weren't biologically that's what you know you know depends on how what evidence you judge uh there are leaked documents i i consider them legitimate by and large uh these are um uh housed one of the witnesses here dr robert wood is one of the individuals who's discussed some but they they're called the majestic uh if you if you take them at face value it's been known since very early on since the 1940s that there are other entities that are here extraterrestrial biological entities yeah the crafts could have been soviet we would have believed anything about the sagittarius indeed and the entity certainly could not have been

1:21:57 soviet so if they knew about that they knew very early this was extraterrestrial they had to and they had to and if they knew that then they they could have had a legitimate concern that if this was made public the the public was going to panic if it was good of the public they couldn't make it public is that a reasonable argument world war ii had just ended the entire world was lying flat on its back millions of homeless and and uh you know hungry people uh everyone was just trying to get back to a sense of normalcy i can only imagine how the us military would have responded to something this exotic dropping into their lap but if this is in fact the ideology then there isn't there's some hope that they can now say gee you know we've been watching this for all these years the obviously are not hostile yes well is it is extraterrestrial my opinion is that there will never ever be any momentum from the top to move this forward but the good news is that they're not the only game in town and the fact is our society is changing as dramatically as it is as rapidly as it is and uh there will be something that will force their hand i'm convinced of this and i think it'll happen within a generation or less and at that point that's when the battle

1:22:58 for truth begins not ends because there'll still be spin doctors and attempts the cia will never just walk away from the table just because we figure something out they're not going to say oh here's all of our so you know the battle will continue but at least got me open gentlemen's time is expected