Don Paul Bales on Jake Barber: Reality Check with Ross Coulthart (NewsNation, 2025)

0:05 welcome back to reality check and this week in our continuing series of interviews with people who featured in our UAP crash retrieval story Don Paul Bales he's another of the interviewees with an impeccable military service history who backed the credentials of our primary interviewee in that story Jake Bara who served at the elite of the US military Mr Bales has 25 years combined service in Military and law enforcement he served with the 82nd Airborne the US Army's Elite specialist parachute assault Airborne Infantry Division and he also served with the US Air Force and as he tells me in this fulllength interview he met Jake barber in 1996 and soon realized very early on that Jake was far more than the aircraft mechanic described in his service history he confirms barar

1:06 was diverted from his tier one combat control training into a covert intelligence role crucially Don Paul Bales also later worked as a member of Jake Barber's team on the Range the he corroborates the work they did and the anomalous phenomena they witnessed there he was also present when Bara confronted a senior executive with the private Aerospace company that had deployed them on the operation that went bad here's Don Paul Bales so don don Paul Bates thank you so much for joining us can you just tell me a little bit about yourself um I've got a kind of interesting back story I've done 25 years combined service military and law enforcement grew up in Arkansas and uh I

2:09 now I'm running an MMA gym I've done so for about a decade since I left being a full-time police officer um and uh that's about it okay so when did you first meet Jake Barber uh 1996 when I was serving at um Fort Bragg North Carolina with the 82 award division we're constrained because of your doses about the units that you were working for we can't specifically name them but basically you were both working as Special Operations elite soldiers yeah I was with the 82nd and prior to my service with the Army I was with the Air Force and I met Jacob in that official capacity and soon after we met I started finding out that he was involved in different levels of service beyond the topical surface units that he appeared to be a member of so yes so ja Barber tells us that he was essentially diverted out of what was the normal track program for a combat controller

3:11 normally I guess he might have been put into say something like Delta Force or um one of the elite US Air Force uh groups but he ended up getting diverted he says into a covert role yes with an intelligence agency that we're not going to name yes you can confirm that yes I are you happy to share if necessary your DD214 with us to give us an idea about your my DD214 oh yes uh I'll have two one from the Air Force One from the Army right and so there's no question at all in your mind that Jake barar is the person that he says he is and he's had the service that he says he's had yes served with him and also I've been close friends for decades the DD214 the release document discharge document for Jake Barber though it only shows him as being an mhm doesn't that mean that that's not case when you're recruiting someone for

4:12 programs that exist outside of public knowledge uh and you're going to have them acting in ways moving around their their capacity needs to be verifiable and explainable in a more mundane way and at first when I first met him I thought the same thing that he was simply a matter of a conventional military unit come to find out that was not the case however working in that capacity is a perfect cover story for the things he was actually doing for the unnamed three-letter agency so he's not just an aircraft mechanic no he's not just an aircraft mechanic it's a great mhm let's talk about Jake Barber and his character as a human being you guys I know in Special Operations you're often in some tough sit situations you have to rely on each other is Jake per bber a person who you would trust oh yes uh he's a person I would and have trusted with my life if he says something which he's

5:12 said to us he's made extremely detailed allegations and comments to us about the program MH can we take it to the bank that what he is telling us is true absolutely and the capacity I worked for Jacob was unique from the other people involved with the program um he's in a leadership role as you'll find out interviewing me I served in a pretty particular way for that program but having both a military and extensive law enforcement background I've seen extensive credentials that he maintained and credentials he was even issued at specific points in time to accomplish specific things these are not credentials that can be fabricated artificially per se um and given having worked within law enforcement and Military community I've seen orders I've seen credentials he is a highly credible person who has functioned on multiple levels within covert operations what do you think of his morals his ethics oh he in my

6:13 opinion the very fact that he's coming forward in the way that he is is exemplary of his character because many people who come forward to disclose have their character assassinated um it puts their well-being and Jeopardy on a lot of levels there are people who've lost their lives uh there's people who've lost their careers luckily I think Jacob is smarter than the average bear he is a very um he's a very diverse person that he's functioned both within his capacity in the covert Community but he's also a very successful entrepreneur he has made a a small fortune for himself with multiple businesses he owns and operates and since you asked about his character when you have a comfortable life and everything to lose and nothing to gain I do believe that there's been some crackpots and people come forward over the years because they're seeking fame and fortune he has fortune and no need fame what do you think about his

7:14 decision to be a whistleblower on what's been going on inside the crash retrieving program I think he's um very strategically wise in his timing because there have been people who who've been involved with the program he's involved with that have lost their lives and I think at this point it is a good inoculation to any nefarious actions against him to come forward and share what he knows and there's enough people now whose pedigree within government within the military very high ranking officers multiple Special Operation service members there's actually a small army of people coming forward and I think that he feels compelled to support these people who are being attacked professionally and personally and it's a good defense for himself I believe and it's in defense of the greater good and the truth of this it's important time in history I think he feels compelled to do

8:15 what he's doing I've often said that the story of the suppression of the existence of a non-human intelligence engaging with this planet is the biggest story in human history oh yes do you agree with that I do um super important to me on a personal and a professional level um I'm not an overtly religious person but I believe strongly in God I'm a patriot I believe strongly in my country that doesn't mean I believe in my government I believe in the founding principles of our community and our country I believe in our country's people but I believe that there are Bad actors when I swore an oath to defend our country it was against all enemies both foreign and domestic and I think some of the greatest enemies that we have unfortunately are Bad actors within the Deep state that are preventing let's just say the growth of humanity the maturing of humanity in the context of some things that most of us know now others will instinctively and fundamentally doubt but the time's

9:15 coming well that will not be an option there'll be too much it's like drinking through a water hose at this point the amount of imagery the amount of whistleblowers um I think that we're coming to a quickening in history you s a shiver up my spine when you talked about swearing an oath because there's article one of the US Constitution you understand don't you I do what does article one of the US Constitution enshrine well the legislative branch in particular is supposed to have oversight over all activities that are done in the name of our country and the furtherance of its interests its protection against uh threats in particular the way we spend our money there's there's massive amounts of money that are so big that when the average citizen hear that the defense department can't account for billions of dollars or more they're like wow that's crazy and they just go about their daily lives the fact that members

10:16 of our own government have not been read in or advised of the truth of these things that presidents are referred to as temporary employees that's not just immoral it's uncons constitutional it's not lawful it's not the best interest of our communities and our countries can I just tell you dog I just had a sense then that what you just said was historic I don't think anybody's ever said that before well it's it's unfortunate because I worry I'm very much a family man love my wife and children more than anything uh and our country is historically positioned to set the standard for personal freedoms constitution was developed in a few F time in history we've been a warlike people at war with each other since the beginning of recorded history and we wanted to create a government of the people and for the people and in so doing the founding fathers had the wherewithal to create checks and balances to prevent the very sort of

11:18 things that we see happening now and those checks and balances from your knowledge of what's going on are not working no they're not working uh former president warned us the s greatest threat to our country was the development of the military-industrial complex well I half agree you need to have a strong military-industrial complex to defend your country um but when that very organization is promoting Wars for the sake of Wars withholding important technology in the context of this interview advanced technology that uh is reverse engineered from extraterrestrial technology you could literally change the Liv Liv of every American citizen and we're a standard Bearer for the world if these things were brought forward and shared it would be lifechanging and instead of worrying about my children's future I would know that whenever my time comes there's a brighter tomorrow there's a lot of things and people standing in the way of

12:18 um let's go through the detail okay when you were in the services before you got involved with Jacob Barber yes what did you even think about UFOs UAP um I kind of grew up like most of well I say most I was one of the kids that was into science fiction one of the first movies I saw as a kid was Star Wars watch Star Trek but beyond the pop culture thing you know I was just as into you know Hot Wheels and GI Joe and Transformers other than the popular culture notion I did like a British show Doctor Who when I was a kid I thought all that was very cool um but beyond pop culture and science fiction hadn't thought much much of it until after my military service after meeting Jacob you know I've always thought that it's a big universe the idea that we're all there is I don't think is that's mathematically Beyond an outlier I think it's impossible not just improbable but I haven't had much interest Beyond just the passing interest in science fiction

13:19 is there a moment when you discovered for the first time that we are not alone humans I will say this before I begin doing some of the things I I have done for Jacob and before I saw some of the things I saw I had a predisposition to think that's probably true but I don't know but when you witness things you know like there's a lot of imagery that's out there now it's been out for years of craft UAP us to be UFO whatever you want to call it that move in ways which defy normal flight characteristics and physics but the problem is we exist in a day and age of mov and CGI and you could see stuff and that's that's not believing even the things I've seen myself at range becoming directly knowledgeable about the programs and what it can mean there's this is this extraterrestrial or advanced technology is it reverse engineered human technology and that presents a unique threat to us as a nation I don't believe

14:22 we have a we have a government that does a lot of good and Noble things under our defense we have Bad actors I think the same is true of other countries too so when you start to see and experience things firsthand it matures your understanding like oh there is something Beyond this here even if the things I saw initially were at there's nothing that is publicly known which can explain the flight characteristic Le go back you know you can watch shows documentaries it's a longstanding fact that they observable phenomenons that cannot be explained but when you start to see it and then you get involved with people who are direct irly responsible with the cover crash recovery and other things and understand the weaponization of these things that is all too human of a thing and I think once you experience it it's not like this awesome oh wow this is all real is well what are we going to do with this like splitting the atom you know can I just explore with you there's obviously

15:23 been a very successful coverer for decades we've all been taught most people watching this I think think that UFOs uaps are complete rubbish yeah that's the default I think it's a self-defense mechanism of human psychology uh it is much easier to think that everybody that talks about this is crazy than except the fact that a we're not alone in the universe B uaps are real and uh what does that mean for us are they a risk to us are they some ways an asset that could create a brighter tomorrow I think the both are likely true but for most people it's easier just to say Ah that's a bunch of crazy people that's fake it's not real it's kind of a default self-defense mechanism and when you combine with that bad actors within certain levels of government they can Fuel That by throwing out disinformation uh they can paint people

16:24 who are honest in exposing what they've seen you see everybody from high level military operators to mundane people school children Seeing Things by the dozens it's very easy to explain things away with lies When people's default reaction is doubt anyway to your knowledge have people being killed to protect this yes they have that's horrific it is horrific and it's evil and it's unlawful I'm just pondering for a moment the significance of that people who presumably wanted the secret to be told well I hate to say it but again as much as I love my country there have been times where we have done things that in hindsight were not just wrong but they were morally reprehensible and unfortunately people have been killed for much lesser reasons

17:25 than something as significant as this in if you think about the amount of profit that can be leveraged against technology unfortunately there's that old biblical idea man cannot serve both God and Mammon well when there's so much profit at stake it is unfortunately not surprising to me that people have been killed to cover up which particular elements of government which particular uh commercial entities have access to this technology uh biologics I I think it's unfortunately very easy to understand that people would be killed because the amount of profit involved one of the problems I think the mistakes that we in the media often make is we tend to see the military or the intelligence Community as one big monolith that all thinks the same way I've been quite struck not just because I've met you guys by the number of people who have contacted me from within the Legacy program for years deeply concerned that the fact that this is being kept secret yes

18:27 well you have to think also going all the way back to the develop of the atomic bomb there's an instinct within the intelligence Community to compartmentalize knowledge and access to evidence and documents because the single best way to the single best way to make someone appear to be um lying or in some way crazy is you don't give them the tools they need to prove even people I believe you've interviewed Lou alzando there other people have come forward David grush if you can compartmentalize it to the point that they cannot present the evidence because again you could watch stuff on your phone now uh that looks real and it's something somebody made up with software the easiest way to maintain this idea that this is all rubbish I believe is the term you would use um is just when you have everybody

19:29 compartmentalized but those same people know what they've seen they know what they've done they have seen evidence they have taken and uh and in this case been involved with crash recovery activity and then you add to that okay there's not just this great lie being told to our countrymen but their patriotic brothers and sisters have died in the service of it and at the end of the day they're called liars and they try to discredit and debunk them that's a deeply painful thing for people like my friend Jacob who's literally given Decades of his life and service of this ultimately what you're assessing there is that Jacob's being the true patriot honoring the terms of your Constitution he is uh well again love for one's country does not mean love for one's government I'm sure we can all pick politician on both sides of the aisle that we think did great things for our nation and some that we think were horrible Bad actors the truth is most are human beings and they've done both good and bad things I was a big fan of Reagan you could list a

20:31 number of things he did which were crucial to what we're discussing now you could also describe actions that he took that some would consider villainous no one individual is either fully good or bad so now like you said it's not a monolithic one entity there's organizations within organizations that may be performing similar functions that don't even know the other actors exist and that that creates quite a bit of obviously there may be weapons that could be developed or um maybe a word yeah technologies that could be developed from this alien technology and as I say the word alien my head explodes with the implications of what we're talking about here we're talking about intelligences intelligent beings from somewhere else yes and we have their technology that's what we're saying here yes yes that's my BL it is what do you say to the people watching this who are

21:31 going I don't believe this well I saw a meme says something about conspiracy theorists are doing pretty good right now in terms of everything that we say within five or 10 years you're considered ridiculous and then you're Vindicated when something comes down range it is more and more and this is the big thing it's got to be tangible evidence that can be given to Credible evaluators of tangible because imagery alone is not enough anymore uh even testimony you're just going to have one person after another discredited and that doubt reflex will kick in from whomever is viewing but when things get to a point where so much information is coming forward and it can be supplemented with tangible evidence there'll come a time when you can no longer deny it um and again I fear that disclosure there are those who want to disclose for very good and Noble reasons and those who want to disclose I think

22:32 for evil and nefarious reasons similarly I think some who have kept it hidden feel like they're being compelled to do so by good and moral reasons some have kept it hidden for very evil reasons so you have a very complicated issue and I think it's exactly what you said Mr cart it's it's literally going to change Humanities we will never view our place in the universe the same again and it'll be the most significant of in human history and it's happening it is now it is happening right now so is there one moment that you can tell me about when you've seen this technology for yourself for the first time honestly it's kind of not that big a deal uh seeing them in the distance is thing I'll tell you one that aggravates me because I didn't see it when my cohorts did and it's one that exists outside of doser review because we're now moving into a stage where I'm functioning as the same asset I've been

23:34 but publicly for an organization that's being funded publicly uh some of the members of my team saw an object pass directly over my injury control point on a site I was at and it was at such a range and I was like man so I'm here facing this direction and the thing passes over me in a direction I didn't see it's not the ones I see that are cool it's a feeling of being left out of the one that that I can publicly discuss which is quite irit irritating so what types of craft have you seen have you seen the egg the egg was the one this one I'm going to go back in a time period which is not and and I'll say this too part of what I did for Jacob is I uh perform a lot of ferial Duties movement of people and things uh is something as mundane as I have a Hazmat driver's license um I've protected uh people and things and moved people and things but I'm not a pilot uh my function on the team again I have communicated with uh highlevel security

24:35 officials on behalf of and with Jacob Direct Communications is dangerous because people have lost their lives and it's probably more my law enforcement background where I became a good asset to Jacob and still am than my military background Jacob is kind of hard because he's also my close friend and he's risking quite a bit to do this I was surprised but not surprised surprised because the risk not surprised because of his character it takes an AC of Courage doesn't it oh it does and he has more to lose uh Ross he's a businessman and a very wealthy businessman very creative entrepreneur into music he has a beautiful family u a lot of interests outside of this literally risking everything and he's not the average citizen uh the fame is not going to be an asset to him let's talk about cionic I haven't even heard that word until about 2 years ago that's crazy isn't it there was a scientist in the program who said to me that if I needed to understand what was going on I need

25:37 you to understand Consciousness yes and it's true isn't it this is consciousness true well I've had the pleasure of meeting multiple Sonic assets I've seen them function I know that they're capable of doing what they're doing and this is funny I told you about the incident that I was present for that's happened since the the classified stuff but that's completely public and that that brings me to a funny story um so Fred and other members of the team see this thing so Gary has the psionic assets doing their thing Jacob's over there eating some food and I'm watching all this going this is very cool this very interesting this is great because the proximity because of my normal duties I'm right there ready to rock you know so I go down my entry control point and I come back and everybody's all oh my God and Fred tells me and they're going through all this uh and then so I'm flying back to my normal life and I'm sitting in a airport you know having a drink and I start getting all these information there was a massive amount

26:38 of reportings on social media and the immediate proximity of the work of the psionics now the uh dog whistle the science-based I would say the technology technology based way of communicating with nhi and uaps is one thing but the psionics man it was the amount of activity in the area immediately proximal to what we were doing was amazing even for me so you can definitively say that you believe there is a capacity in the human mind to somehow psychically telepathically connect with yes and Dr Nolan's done a good job I don't understand I'm not even want to try to use the anatomical part of the brain because I mess it up every time I try to say it but there's physiological signs that can be measured uh Dr Nolan's quite good at this and I don't know if it's a byproduct if it's something that they were born with or is a is a response to interaction with if it's a product of communication in some way that they were chosen and

27:38 communicated with or if it's something that they were born with and it's a a genetic or congenital trait but there is certain people who are quantifiably verifiably capable of this I I think a lot of people watching this might be able to come to terms with the idea of they being aliens MH non-human intelligence mhm I do think a lot of people are going to have trouble with the concept of psychic abilities being real I mean we've all been told for years that psychic abilities are fiction nonsense again that doubt is the even religion doubting Thomas doubt seems to be the default mechanism until you've seen it or experienced I believe that's probably the psychologically safer way to view things but having seen it actually function as one thing but the amount of activity by all social media is a funny thing because you know if we say that this

28:39 incident occurred that's one thing but if you go back and you see people all around the geographic area starting to report and see things the old I'm from the country the old saying the proof is in the pudding when you see these things manifest a response from uaps well is that a coincidence given the size of physical size of our our own Galaxy and solar system alone the likelihood that that is not a direct reaction to an overt attempt to communicate I think is just as unlikely it's exciting it is exciting it's kind of interesting it's very interesting it's spiritual in a way it is I believe it's very spiritual I mean I'm not a good enough scholar to reference it but there are things biblically which refer to wheels in the sky and such and history you've seen images and paintings and things that kind of hint that this has been something that Mankind's been aware of since even before recorded history as we know it are you a man of

29:39 Faith do you believe in God am I'm a Christian by definition do you find the concept of believing that aliens are real and that we can psychically engage with them do you find that contradictory to your belief in God no now some of my I'd say believing brothers and sisters whether they be Christian Muslim Jew or some other faith I think they may find it antithetical but to me that's a knee-jerk opposite reaction if you think about a a God as a prime mover a creator of the universe to think that a universe that we now know through modern science I think we have something being stood up next year in 2025 that would be one of the most powerful ways to view our universe that we've seen in our history we know that we have a very expansive Universe to think that we have and Christians believe Muslims believe Jews believe that we have a creator of the universe

30:39 to create this much space for one self-aware species seems to be like a lot of waste of space it's said arrogance really it is it's ubras so let's talk about the concerning things that happened during your work with Jake you and Jake were tasked to rec cover what you guys refer to as high value targets and they were six Panasonic tough books and we don't know for sure what was on those tough books do we but it may have been video it may have been some kind of data but the company the private Aerospace company that we're not naming that you were working for in that job it wanted those books back yes and technically I did not work for them I worked for Jacob you would refer to me as a subcontract employee right so what happened I'm not going to discuss any of that I've not been reviewed my activities have not been reviewed by doser can you confirm this were you involved in any of the retrieval

31:40 attempts yes and I'm not out of respect for Jake going to go into the detail of what happened but I I'm aware that a dangerous incident occurred let's leave at that um a concern arose didn't it in your group in your team that as a subcontractor your whole operation was plausibly deniable yes was there a concern that you were being set up yes setup is a mild term you touched on earlier the fact that people have lost their lives involved in this type of activity and the links to which people have gone to suppress politically uncomfortable truths let alone world changing facts is such that there is risk involved and because I'm a unique element in service of Jacob and the

32:41 overarching program unlike the others I've been present when we've attempted to make direct contact with superiors within the program to clarify exactly what's going on and to to get to a place where we felt comfortable within the context of what we were doing became more and more difficult both of you came away I won't name the private Aerospace company involved but I think Jake spoke to the director of security for a private Aerospace company yes and neither of you came away with the sense that you were getting a straight answer no we spoke with more than one individual at a very high level of authority and I don't know what jakc said but I'll tell you this and I say this based on my law enforcement background too when the people who are supposed to be at the highest levels are afraid to discuss what you're doing that's a clue when they are worried about their well-being and the well-being of their families and

33:43 I'm talking about as high of the food chain as the public would be aware of these food chains Within These unnamed organizations when those people are afraid for their physical wellbeing and their families and say the smartest thing you can do is to let this go don't ask questions walk away when they're afraid then there's cause for concern who's running this cover up oh that's a good question I mean there's incredible power behind what we're seeing here somebody's pulling the strength well you you touched on this earlier Ross that there's likely more than one program so there's likely multiple coverups if there's more than one organization within our government let alone other governments if their organization s which are controlled not by the government proper but by Private Industry that operate at a high level and that recruit and contract Legacy assets within the government's programs everyone imagine something more valuable oil more valuable than any precious

34:46 metal something that could potentially be the most valuable technology in the history of mankind how much time and money would they invest in trying to collect that okay then now you have multiple private organizations multiple government entities all of them that may be existing sometimes in cooperation but often not compart penalized so you don't just have one cover up you have a culture that is inherently invested in making sure that what they're doing is not known because you don't want competition within industry or foreign adversaries the default response of multiple entities would be to try to hide everything deny deny deny can you think of any good reason why I can accept we perhaps in the public just like we don't we shouldn't know how to make nuclear weapons I can accept there might be technologies that might be quite dangerous from alien technology but in and of itself can you think of any good

35:47 reason why the public can't know that we are not alone well I'm going to play Devil's Advocate and say yes because I have a service background our economy is based on natural resources oil being a prime example it's like hydraulic despotism the value of an economy is based on your ability to acquire a particular thing what if as some have speculated uh technology existed to recruit energy right out of the ambient surrounding environment know that true yes well okay Zero Point Energy if you have Zero Point Energy what is the basis for the global economy everything of value instantly disappears so now you have this war for control of that technology so for one thing it would fundamentally destabilize the economy entire of the entire world that's a thing now we have nuclear weapons already we have foreign adversaries that have Hypersonic weapons

36:48 and we're supposedly behind them that's not the case we all have Hypersonic weapons okay now imagine a weapon that can fire device so fast you can't even measure it by the standard concept of acceleration of a solid rocket fuel-based weapon if you could fire and you talked about my faith there are people who have very radical views of this world and God who want to wipe their enemies off the face of the Earth would you want to put a propulsion system in the hands of those people if they could with the touch of a button annihilate massive numbers of people so as I said there are people I think that want to not disclose for reasons that they feel are noble and good what do you personally think are we ready yes because here's the thing even having played Devil's Advocate and said all that and I don't know how or if this is edited but I'll say this in the context of everything I just said you could keep all of that totally protected I doubt there's very many

37:49 people out there who could construct a nuclear bomb even if they had access to plans but you could also disclose yes we've been in communication with non-human intelligence yes there are multiple species out there that fact in and of itself is not going to create doomsday weapons and it's not going to destabilize the economy it's going to cause the maturing of an entire people and maybe we'll get to a point in history where instead of being adversarial we realize because we're part of a much bigger Universe maybe we need to resolve some of our historical conflicts and start thinking about our place in the universe not just our place in the world not our country and our government versus this country in this government but how are we as a species being evaluated by other species all of you gentlemen you Jake Fred John all of you have fought Wars as Patriots for your country for much of the last 30 40 years the big message in all of this is that there is a technology that makes

38:51 that whole idea redundant yes that's the word I was going to use but you me me to it not just redundant not just counterproductive sadly many wars are fought for profit uh it's not a good long-term strategy uh peace and prosperity should be the focus and the goal and many governments including my own seem to have at many levels lost sight of that and like you said the disclosure of non-human intelligence um I would like to think that it would make people perhaps take our place in the world more seriously you know we exist we have our popular culture we have our sports teams our musicians people like me that are into politics and we root for one team versus the other all of that would be muted somewhat in the context of a greater truth people of faith will be challenged to look more closely at the faith not believe what they believe because it's what they're taught when they're young or they gone through a bad experience in

39:53 life and had a conversion experience but no we better think very seriously about God our mortality our place in the universe because it's a bigger more complicated Universe than many of us think they know there is a splendid Anarchy in what Jake is proposing you guys do it's called skywatching tell me about it well I think it's Unique I I do know there are some other people trying to attempt similar things of the Galileo projects and other stuff there are people trying to collect evidence evidence is exactly what you need and it can't be imagery there is imagery now that we know is true it's collected by military organizations and there's demonstrable flight characteristics moving in and out of the atmosphere in and out of the ocean things can't move like that but your doubting Thomases are going to say hey that's probably propaganda it's misinformation it's um CGI if you get tangible physical evidence you can send craft or biologic

40:56 s to multiple universities and um Higher Learning institutions then there's no longer you can't doubt it anymore people would have to take a hard look at that point at the truth of the subject you talked earlier about the issues with compartmentalization meaning that it's very hard to know how big the program is left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing but there's another problem too isn't there because good science depends on peer review and sharing ideas yes and my understanding is that there are Materials Science breakthroughs that haven't happened because people's Secrets areed MH yes I mean the the great thing that could happen is I mean I was so excited by Sky Watcher because there was one of the greatest periods in American history was the Apollo Moon program where we said you know we will send a man to the Moon yes and we did mhm the potential behind

41:57 what skywatcher can do is incredible well it might Force the hand of some of the Bad actors if you produce physical evidence and Technology as a result of that physical evidence there is physical evidence and Technology already in the hands of certain uh organizations both public and private if you produce that evidence you're kind of forcing them at this point to kind of get in a uh disclosure arms race well yeah you know this and you know this but we know this and this so at some point it would be um mutually beneficial for everybody to finally put all their cards on the table I think they'll be forced to do so I'd be very surprised Don if the Russians and the Chinese aren't already trying to do the same thing oh they are yeah so there's this as David grush said to me when I interviewed him in 2023 there is a secret cold war going on about this technology absolutely and again for good and bad reasons on both sides the equation but skywatcher in

42:59 particularly I like the involvement of Dr Nolan we have psionics we have technological assets that most people don't know exist the um dog whistle uh the ability to contact and collect tangible evidence it it would be the game Cher I believe in your interview with Louie said it's not an event it's a process we may go from a process to an event that is a game Cher and right now unfortunately we're on the precipice possibly World War III we have multiple hot spots around the world which we seem to as a species be determined to destroy ourselves we probably need a GameChanger event we need something to make us stop and reflect and work collectively to a good I appreciate that some of what you've seen is classified for good reason that's completely cool what I'm looking for here is the excitement the aha moment I'm looking for that moment

44:02 when you suddenly realized oh my God this is real well can you give me a sense of that emotion well you think it be Wonder but it's more like I wonder what those who are involved with all of this are going to do with this where I don't know what's an event you could explain and compare it to I don't know let's say I'm from the country you're a kid you get old enough to safely handle weapon okay so you're trau how a pistol and a rifle works and it it's very powerful and it's it's an aha moment and then you think oh good lord if mishandled I could kill myself for someone else that there is both wonder and waight with knowing versus believing I believe in God I have no proof I choose to believe my particular faith I believe in God but when you know certain things exists then you think about what is the weight of this in the hands of

45:02 humanity who has done both glorious and wonderful things throughout history and woeful and horrible things so the Wonder and the AHA yes but seeing the seeing the craft I'll tell you one thing is when I was briefed in on all of the when I was read in on all of the differing types of Craft um one thing that I did not know based on my personal experiences up to then I'd had experiences before then but when exposed to and I don't think I can discuss exactly in detail these classifications but let's say that some were actual craft UAP and others in my mind appeared to be more like an actual nhi like an organism like it's not you wouldn't describe it as a ship more like a well in the ocean but these non-human intelligences are able to move about our natural universe much like we walk around on land and you know Whales swim in the ocean but in

46:04 there's another dimension too literally metaphysically that some of these entities seem to be transdimensional they can move in ways that I mean like they're there and they're not there that's what David grush suggested well yeah but when you think about a thing that's there and then it's not there okay well where did it go or did it move at such a speed I can't see it because I'm not a scientist my mind's like well what is that well when you see the classifications of it I felt like a long time do you remember the 1984 movie Ghostbusters sure when they brought the guy in and hired him Winston Zed more because Paranormal Activity had uh increased so much she said first thing she says you believe in UFOs ghost yada yada yada said lady if there's a paycheck in it believe whatever you want and then he goes out and he starts seeing all this stuff and then it's just his job and like every other job it has some parts that are really cool and other parts that have you worrying and scratching your head

47:05 well when you see how many different types of UFOs if you even watch some of the documentaries on the um phenomenon you see a lot of different types of IM imagery that most of us involved with this know yeah that's legit that's bogus well disregarding the bogus there's so much diversity in the footage that is out there that when I was that's I kind of think that's my aha moment when I'm not just doing a particular thing I'm hey you show up here at this place this is your load out you do this this and this that's great well when you're read in fully to just how much is known how many various types of crafts and beings I would say that's what I would refer to nhi as that's my aha moment it's not getting handed the gun it's told the details of this is a lot bigger thing than even in even you who has experienced and same things on your own buddy it's bigger than you could even imagine the overwhelming sense I get

48:06 from you and all the guys that have stepped forward this show is optimism mhm this is incredible Yes again I'm a patriot I'm a person of faith and I'm worried for my kids future this is interesting I like being interviewed none of it's more important to me than my children and their future and we're at a very very dangerous time of History you asked me about our government and how our own legislative branch is supposed to have oversight of things and they have it's failing it's non-existent when you have the only few people that seem to be read in are those who want to suppress and tell everybody else to shut up nothing to see here well that doesn't give me hope for my children's future what gives me hope is the people like Jacob who are willing to risk everything and say yeah no not only is it real I've been involved in it for decades at Great personal risk to Health his wealth and his well-being it has cost it could have cost him his life on a number of occasions it's cost him his health and now he's risking his entire life and livelihood to share this so I

49:09 hope all those people that watch this and that they doubt take into consideration what these men are risking to share this with you why would they do that there is a lot to lose and the only thing to gain is the betterment of mankind I would not myself have risked this if not asked to do to come forward and share this by Jacob um people can't they don't in their day-to-day lives realize what he's risking as opposed to a normal asset normal assets are not millionaires they don't own multiple businesses one of their greatest allies is their anonymity because if you're a person of means everybody wants something one of Jacob's greatest assets up to now is nobody meets him thinks that he's a multi-millionaire that he's involved with all these things and other things really interesting ventes of a true renaissance man he's you know plays music uh he and I have had our share of bouts combatively we do martial arts

50:09 very interesting dude he's got a very prestigious pedigree he trained with me in the martial arts way back in the day in the military and since but he's actually trained with world-renowned instructors he's given up and risking quite a bit for this and if it wasn't for knowing his character and and why he's doing it the the the the amount of I hope that the person's watching this would realize how much he's risking to share this knowledge now one of the things I take out from is that you've emphasized there are good people very good people in the military and the intelligence Community who do want this story told yes but there are bad people there are malign people yes what are they going to try and do how do you think they'll respond well how they respond to David how they respond to Lou alzando and because it's compartmentalized I know some of these people I don't know a bunch of them so I have to do the same thing that your viewers will do well is this person

51:10 legit are they full it's hard to tell I do know this though those who are all of those who are disclosing the knee-jerk reactions discredit their mental health to call them a liar uh I believe a highlevel military official came out later and said no well zando was in charge of exactly what he said he was in charge of you can believe what you want about everything else he says that was his position he did do that job well these people are risking so much when they do this uh I think that that's the epitome of evil when you have members of your own Community your own military your own government your own private organization that are attacking you engaging in character assassination potentially having people killed uh that's a horrible State of Affairs this isn't just a story about ufi is it no about human nature but it's also a story about restoring American democracy oh you you'd ask me about that and

52:12 that's very true and because I'm going to look at another historical event the assassination of Kennedy okay everyone knows that there are things which are not being disclosed let's use that as metaphor for this why everyone involves dead you're not exposing anyone to individual harm why are you still refusing because if you don't tell the truth if you're intentionally withholding that from the American people you're talking potentially about killing a duly elected a president for some nefarious reasons then democracy does not exist if you can just say no you're not allowed to know the truth of why this President and how this president died after all these years why that's not been disclosed now we're not talking about Humanity changing a we're talking about the assassination of a president okay why is that not being disclosed in absence complete transparency with the American citizens no uh I believe the quote from one of the founding fathers is you have a

53:13 republic if you can keep it well now if we don't disclose and I'm going to go on front of tangent here yes we need to disclose about uaps and nhis we need to tell the truth about what happened to that President there are many things which are undisclosed which need to be disclosed or America's citizenry it's not it's not like we're losing confidence in our government we have no confidence in our government and that's I have friends who are hardcore conservatives and Republicans friends who are hardcore Democrats and liberals one of the few things everyone gets agrees with is that we're not getting the full story from our government and our government's not always acting in our best interest thanks for watching go to join nn.com to find newsnation on your television provider and please don't forget to click that red subscribe button to ensure you get more of news nation's unbiased and fact-driven news coverage