Avi Loeb on NewsNation's The Hill: the PURSUE triangle, and sensors at the sites (23 October 2026)

0:00 This wasn't a question we thought we'd be asking today, but here we are, what's that flying triangle? It's just one of the new questions tonight as the Pentagon releases its seventh round of files today involving UAPs, or as you might know them, UFOs. The new documents reveal that mysterious flying triangles have been spotted over U.S. military installations as recently as this year. If you flip back over to the rendering, flip back over if you can, that's one of the renderings, because military witnesses reported three different sightings of those triangles, which don't have a light or a clear propulsion system. Also in the files, an affidavit describing the wreckage from what was described as near Roswell, New Mexico, 1947. The witness recalls seeing alien bodies and a spacecraft. That document says, quote, I am convinced that what I personally observed was some type of craft and a crew from outer space. Joining us now, Avi Loeb. He is a professor, Harvard University, also

1:00 the chair of the White House's UAP Science Advisory Council. So nice to see you. Good day to have you here in Washington. Thanks for coming in. Let's go back to those flying triangles. What's your theory? What do you think? Well, we don't know what they are. There are two types of objects that are being spotted by the Pentagon, the intelligence community, and they are hovering over strategic assets. We need to know what they are, because if you have a down-to-earth approach, you would say they are coming from adversarial nations, because it's not our government that is flying them. And we shut down a Chinese pie balloon in 2023. And when I go to the kitchen and find an ant, I get worried, because there must be many more ants under the sink. So for the same reason, we need to figure out these objects. Now, we won't be able to, given the data that we're given in these tranches, it's not good enough. And my hope is to partner with the Pentagon and put better sensors at the locations where these objects are found. You were at the White House today. How are they talking and thinking about all of this? Well, there are definitely objects that both

2:01 the Pentagon and the intelligence community cannot identify. And there is even a more fundamental question, because there are some reports from people who used to work in government, that perhaps there are even alien spacecraft that are being held by corporations like Lockheed Martin that are being discussed. Now, I haven't seen any evidence for that, and the people I speak with have not seen any evidence for that. But if it exists, my plea to whoever owns them is, please take me to the nearest alien spacecraft, because I can help you figure it out. Take us all. However, it may not exist. And I think it's a win-win proposition to study these objects and get better data, because we will either help national security or make the biggest discovery ever made in science. Yeah, my question that I keep on asking, because a lot of this is happening over military sites, is, is this something that our military is testing on ourselves, or is it adversaries potentially testing on us?

3:03 The head of NASA, Jared Isaacman, was on the show a couple of weeks ago. I asked him a form of that question. Here it was. Is this an adversary that's testing some next-generation propulsion? It's certainly in the realm of possible. What does your gut tell you? I would say I would lean towards it's either, you know, some phenomenon that can happen. You know, there are things that can happen just like natural phenomena that can be observed. I also think there's a good chance that, you know, there could be a Sputnik moment that's happening, and people are testing new stealthy or next-generation-type technologies. Where do you come down between Sputnik moment, natural phenomena, and then maybe is some of this extraterrestrial? I'm open-minded. The good thing of being a scientist, you don't need to know the answer in advance. In politics, very often you need to pretend to know the answer in advance. But in my case, we can collect evidence that will guide us. It's like a detective story. And my recommendation is to put sensors in those locations, get better data, and figure

4:04 it out like a detective story. And eventually, all of us will be on the same page. You know, there are believers. There are skeptics. I'm threading in the middle between them. Both of them don't like it because they have already decided what these objects are. As part of the files as well, Pentagon, a 2002 witness account from a military officer who claimed he was present in Roswell, New Mexico, 1947, the famous incident. And is quoted as writing or saying, samples of wreckage were around the table. It was unlike any material I had ever seen in my life, pieces which resembled metal foil, paper-thin yet extremely strong. No one was able to identify the crash debris. That was part of the release today. Obviously, this is the incident that has captivated so many. What say you? Yeah, so there are always black projects that we are not aware of that develop future technologies that you can't find in the commercial sector. And, for example, the B-2 bombers, when they were tested, a lot of people thought that

5:06 they are UFOs, UAPs. So the key here, the challenge, is to distinguish between future technologies that are currently being developed and people, you know, civilians, do not know about them. And actually, truly alien technology, not human in origin, which is, you know, orders of magnitude beyond what we can accomplish right now. And obviously, if we have debris of the material, we can immediately tell. But otherwise, it's really an important distinction. And I think anything that was manufactured by U.S. sources should be known to the intelligence community, the Pentagon. So when they say something is an unidentified object, they mean it's not from us. Let me leave you with this, because, as I mentioned, chair of the UAP Science Advisory Council at the White House today. This is now the seventh release. We still don't have a yes-no. Right. The government has some answer as to yes or no. Do you think we'll ever get that? Yeah, I hope so within a year or two. And I hope President Trump will have the

6:07 privilege of announcing whatever we find. And stay tuned. It's a work in progress. All right. We'll leave it there. Avi Loeb, also professor of science, Department of Astrology, Harvard University. Very nice to see you, sir. Nice to meet you. Thanks for being back. Appreciate it. By the way, a recent Gallup poll found that 17% of Americans say they've personally seen something that they thought was a UFO. Thank you for watching. Subscribe below and download our News Nation app right now on your phone and you will get fact-based, unbiased news for all Americans.