What Trump’s Files Are About To Expose About UAPs & Nonhuman Observers — Luis Elizondo Warns Us

0:01 Unless you've been living under a rock, I'm sure you're well aware of the missing scientists who are connected to some of America's most sensitive aerospace, defense, and advanced research programs. They've either been quite literally killed or they have vanished under mysterious and unexplainable circumstances. At the same time, you've got members of Congress going on legacy media talking to us about hybrid breeding programs between human beings and non-human intelligence. The US military has told us that there are aliens living at the bottom of the ocean. The president of the United States is in the process of declassifying all of this. And if it feels totally insane and unhinged to you, you are not alone. So, I have reached out to uh Luis Alzando, who is now a personal friend. He is a former Pentagon employee/whistleblower. He headed up the ATIP program, which is the advanced aerospace threat

1:02 identification program. And he's coming on with me right now to break all of this down. So, before we jump into it, if you could do me a huge favor and like, share, comment, and subscribe, it helps us a ton with the algorithm, and I got a feeling that this episode is going to need a little help to push past the algorithm. Here we go. >> Keeping it real with Jillian Michaels. First of all, Lou, how are you? Are you Are you okay? I'm actually dead ass serious. Are you okay? Uh I that's a loaded question. Uh Jillian, first of all, thank you so much for having me. It's always a wonderful honor and privilege to be with you. Um you know, it's always wonderful having these types of conversations. I'm doing pretty good. Um you know, nothing that a good psychotherapist can't fix, right? So they say. Um no, physically, mentally, I'm doing quite well. Um, there's I I did I was involved in a near fatal motorcycle accident about two months ago where they flew me to shock trauma by

2:04 helicopter and I had less than a 50% chance of survival, believe it or not. So, uh, had a punctured lung, uh, severed spleen. They had to do an emergency surgery to remove the spleen, um, traumatic brain injury, either 32 or 35 cranial and skull fractures, u, detached retina. So, I I got beat up pretty bad. But look, the bottom line is I'm here. I'm alive. I'm good. So, I am not going to complain whatsoever. As far as the other stuff, uh, you know, regarding the the UAP topic, um, it's been a little dicey for some folks. I'm not going to lie. Um, several years ago, I was warned >> by certain people to be very careful what I say. Um, some of those individuals now, as you probably know, uh, some of those individuals who I had a chance to either work with or or or know, um, are now missing or or unfortunately dead. And so there is an ongoing FBI investigation, fullfield investigation into this. there is a reason why I live where I live with five German shepherds and I'm

3:05 heavily armed. Um, you know, maybe it's call it paranoia if you want, but you know, there's an old saying, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. So, uh, but I'm doing well. I'm doing quite well. Um, yeah, and uh, you know, I'm I'm I'm very happy, very content, especially with where we are right now in the conversation regarding disclosure. There's a lot happening behind the scenes that I think, frankly, your audience may be very surprised to hear. >> Well, I've got to be honest, this is the craziest set of questions I've ever put together for any interview. Um, and if it was any other moment in time throughout history, this would be effectively the end of both of our careers. But in fact, we're just on what's going on in Congress, what's going on with our president and what's going on in the mainstream media, which feels insane. So, I want to get to the missing scientists. But before we do, I need to show you this clip of Congressman Tim Burchett

4:07 on Newsmax. I'm not gonna say another word. Team sought to please. >> Former colleague of yours, Matt Gates, making some pretty shocking statements yesterday about aliens. Take a look. And I had someone come and brief me who was in a military uniform, worked for the United States Army that was briefing me on the locations of hybrid breeding programs where captured aliens were breeding with humans to create some hybrid race that that could engage in intergalactic communication. aliens that were living were in forced breeding programs with uh humans that had been abducted from war zones and from even uh the caravans of uh of migrants. >> All right. I mean, you know, we don't I don't have the tinfoil hat on just yet, Congressman, but I'm wondering, you know, kind of how you react to that because you are connected. You're on the UFO subcommittee. I mean, I'm just wondering what you make of that. Have you heard anything like that?

5:10 Um, well, I'm still a member of Congress, so I I can't really comment too much on what Matt said, but I I will say this. >> Wait, seriously? Are you being serious or is that tough? >> I'm being 100% serious. >> I'm being 100% serious. I've been briefed by just about every Alphabet agency there is. And um I'll just tell you this, if they would release the things that I've seen, you would stay up you you'd be up at night worrying about or thinking about this stuff. We just need to disclose it all. I'm sick of it. Well, I was I was briefed I'll just tell you this. I was briefed last week on an issue or excuse me, two weeks ago and um it would have set the earth on it. This this country would have come unglued, I think, if they would have heard all that I heard. They would they would demand >> Okay. So, where do we start? Should we start with an alien hybrid breeding

6:12 program where they're capturing caravans of immigrants and forcing them into this? Or should we start with the fact that a congressman who is well thinks that if this is fully disclosed, it's going to set the country on fire. I'm going to hand this one over to you here. I'm speechless. >> Sure. Uh well, first of all, I've had the uh the privilege of of speaking to Representative Tim Burchchett and and his colleagues and what he's saying uh regarding access to very sensitive information. He's absolutely correct. Um some of the people that briefed those individuals, I personally know they were colleagues of mine back in the day. Um he's absolutely correct that some of the population I think would probably be um potentially concerned about what uh how much we we know about this topic. Um and for several reasons we can we can go into that. Now as far as this this notion of of alien crossbreeding and hybridization um let me just preface

7:14 this. When I was in the Pentagon uh at I was a nuts andbolts kind of guy. a really airframe, air integrity, um the material science and propulsion behind the vehicles themselves, not so much the the occupants. But what um what Gates is referring to uh is something called uh in in the vernacular, it's known throughout kind of the UFO community as myabs. Um, and what it what it suggests is that there's been a long-standing agreement or understanding between us and our friends from out of town. Um, that have allowed us uh to work with whoever whatever these are uh in a cooperative agreement and in exchange for that uh supposedly they would have access to certain human specimens biologically in order to to test. Um, I I have to say first and foremost I I I heard about that while I was at the Pentagon. I was not privy to the specifics of that. Um, from my understanding that relationship began,

8:15 if it is true, began sometime in the in the 1950s um and has continued. I have met several individuals, former intelligence officers for the Air Force and uh and other services who swear by it um who actually say they've had um encounters with uh with UAP and have seen military personnel in and around um the vehicles um as if you know very nonchalant as if it was it was supposed to be. um you know I I have to be careful with with going into any type of speculation about hybridization uh or any type of of study or research because again that was not my my forte. But what I will say is I've had plenty of individuals um tell me verbatim that that the military is is far more the military-industrial complex is far more involved in this topic than anyone really knows. Um there are there are cases which seem rather interesting where you have in some cases

9:16 UAP potentially being escorted by American fighter jets and allied fighter jets. Um so that would that would give you some sense of cooperation maybe between between us and whatever they are. Um I can't tell you for certain because simply I I I wasn't privy to to that if that indeed existed. But I will also say it's really not that far of a stretch. Um if we were to come into contact with let's say just another nation, right? So let let's let's look at it this way from a real perspective. Um there are tribes right now that are isolated in the Amazon and they and also in the South Pacific and we have these no-go zones basically. You know, we're not going to interfere with with these indigenous people and their development because they've never had outside exposure. They haven't been exposed to, you know, recent diseases and things like that. and it could cause a significant problem for them. But once one culture decides to engage another culture here on Earth, right? Forget about out there, just right here. Um, you have an exchange of ideas, you have

10:18 agreements between the different peoples. Um, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Um you can go back and look at the concisadors during their la reconista or the reconquering where their interaction with indigenous people didn't go so well right um same here in the United States where we maybe did some things that we probably shouldn't have towards towards indigenous people in other cases um it was a little bit more sim symbiotic. So let's get back to the question you're having specifically about hybrids and alien hybrids. Um, I don't know. I do know that there are people out there that swear by it. Um, there are people that have been in the military and intelligence officials that have told me it that I've no reason to question their credibility. They've never lied to me certainly. Um, but I don't have firsthand knowledge of that of of hybridization or forced hybridization. And and if that is the case, then I think um Representative Bashett is absolutely correct because if now we have if if it's true that there's a scenario where we have elements of the

11:21 American government wittingly cooperating with something else and allowing human beings to be against their own will, right? Be taken. Well, from me, from my perspective >> when I was a when I was a special agent, that's called kidnapping, right? That's a felony offense. And then if they are touched uh in any way, right, it's that's called assault, right? So there's there's a lot of a lot of issues here that legally fundamentally I think we would have a problem with. Then you have the other information that I know Representative Buret has had access to along with some of his other colleagues like Luna and Berles. Uh that could be very disturbing because it shows that maybe we have been a little bit more complicit with this topic um than than we had previously stated. Keep in mind we spent decades saying nothing to see here folks. It's not real. This is not you know this is silly. Turns out we were spending a lot of taxpayer money, a lot of your money actually uh researching this topic and I was part of that effort and so were many of my colleagues. And it turns out that, you

12:22 know, there there are things that that go bump in the night. And that can be very disturbing for some people, especially from a philosophical perspective or a theological perspective and even a even a psychological >> Okay, so two things jump out at me right away that make me struggle with this. Number one, genetically, how in the world could you possibly sync up humanity and whatever this non-intelligence may be? It'd be like crossbreeding us with a dog, I imagine. And a dog has evolved on Earth. It doesn't make sense, Lou. How would that even be possible? >> No, that's a great question. In fact, we've already done it before with other things. We've actually crossbred rats and their DNA with jellyfish, and now these rats glow. There's bioluminescence. Imagine that. A glowing rat, right? Or a glowing sheep. So, we've already done that. Actually, from a scientific perspective, it's not that hard. And frankly, when you look at the genetics, I think we share something like 90% of our DNA with a banana, right? So, I it's it's not really that

13:24 far off. We are already crossbreeding to bring animals back from extinction like the dire wolf, right? So, we are we are well beyond that. Can we take DNA from something else and mix it with human Yes, it can be done. We've already done it with animals. Um, and and that's common knowledge. Anybody can get on a search engine and type in, you know, uh, glow-in-the-dark rats or glow-in-the-dark sheep, and you will see where we have crossbreed jellyfish DNA with with mamalian DNA. >> And I suspect in China, they've gone much much further than that. There are ethical issues with it, but I think scientifically when you're saying how do we crossbreed, um, it can be done. And I'll also suggest something else very interesting. you said because Jillian I think it's a really important question you're asking here. How is it how can you take DNA that is terrestrial here from Earth and find you can argue the fact that maybe jellyfish are from Earth and so therefore there's some similarity with something completely not not human but we don't know that it is possible

14:25 that there is some sort of linkage there maybe either in their distant history uh in our past where these things are not so dissimilar. Look, they've been reported for having bilateral symmetry, having two arms, two legs, two eye. I mean, very similar to to humanoid type type morphology. That suggests a lot of things. Either A, the human form is very very common in the cosmos, or B, that there's a common link somewhere between human beings, >> and potentially higher primates and whatever whoever these are. And if you go down that logic trail, then you have to ask a question that maybe our friends from out of town aren't really from outer space at all. Maybe they're from right here. Maybe they are from under our oceans. Maybe these things are just as natural >> to to to Earth as we are, but we're now at the point technologically where we can actually begin to interact with them. So, that's another potential. >> Okay. And that that does make sense because for most of my life when contemplating whether or not these creatures could be

15:27 real because you know you and I have talked about how as a kid I saw the gray on uh Whitley Shriber's book Communion scared the hell out of me and I talked myself out of it because I was like a creature from another planet couldn't the gravity is going to be different like we go to the moon and we bounce around because we're not there's no gravity or if we went to a much bigger planet, we'd be like 500 lb or something. We'd be flattened because the gravitational pole is so much greater. >> So, in other words, >> they wouldn't be acclimated to the gravity of our planet. They might be flying off. They might be flattened to the ground depending upon whatever they're acclimated to. They're not acclimated to breathe there and they're not wearing space suits. So, it can't be real. And but but yet it somehow arguably seems to be. Um, now having said that, I I want to get to the different theories about that in a minute. But having said that, why in the world would our government cooperate with kidnapping humans? Okay. So, so

16:27 Lou, I'm just walking through how crazy this is, right? When these nonhuman intelligence creatures have arguably been just abducting people for hundreds of years. that arguably in one of the books I guess that they left out of the Bible, the book of Ezekiel, they talk about lights in the sky and and you know getting in chariots and going up into the stars. Why would we even need to cooperate with this? Doesn't even make sense. They could just grab one of us and go. >> Sure. Well, um, you know, if these things are truly intelligent and not just automatons, then one can surmise that there might be some sort of social structure there, meaning some sort of of of cooperation. And why I say that is because if you look at all higher primates in the animal kingdom, um, if you want a species to survive, you have to learn how to cooperate as a unit, as a group, right? So whether it's a tribe, it's a village, it's a city, it's a country, it's a nation, it doesn't matter. uh cooperation is really important for the survival of a species um from a from a macro perspective not a

17:28 micro perspective but but a macro perspective. So it is possible that the idea of cooperation isn't just a terrestrial thing that it is it is a universal kind of like uh perhaps um well other other things we see uh like the behavior of light for example it's just a matter of physics. It's possible that in order for any type of intelligent being to really evolve itself, um cooperation amongst themselves and amongst others is is imperative. Um the question is what would that cooperation look like? And there's been a lot of speculation on that. And I think you're absolutely right. If it turns out that the American government or any government has been complicit in allowing um citizens, innocent civilians to be taken against their own will and studied, then that's a constitutional issue. We're now we're now well beyond um you know the the lanes of of of MK Ultra and some of these horrible things that our government have done in the past. Um, this is this is a new level and there'd be I think a a significant amount of

18:28 liability that the American government would have to have to assume and maybe this is one of the reasons why there have been some people very shy about it. You know, in the past we did a lot of things at the height of the Cold War to maintain our our strategic advantage and competitiveness against then Soviet Union. There's a lot of things we did that weren't very nice. You know, if we can go again back to the MK Ultra experiments where innocent people wound up dying because the CIA decided to administer LSD to unsuspecting people, right, just to see what would happen. You had the Tuskegee experiments where we allowed our own human beings, our own brothers and sisters in this country to to be infected with and go through the entire life cycle of syphilis to the point where where some of them died. And we didn't even though we had a cure, we didn't offer the cure because we wanted to see what would happen with syphilis going to its its its natural state of progression. So, you know, there have been things we have done in the in our government that haven't been always been very nice and not necessarily in the best interests of the American people.

19:28 And this is why I think, you know, Congress continues to get engaged in this because if it turns out that that is the case, then we're going to have ourselves an entirely different conversation here. >> Okay. Um, and the one thing that I feel like I should I should clarify at this point is the suggestion is not that these creatures are populating with human beings. It would be that they're capturing us, studying us, extracting our DNA, and crossing it with theirs in a lab. Like the way that we genetically engineer food is kind of what you're >> Not like, okay, okay, I get the science now when you when you put it that way. Like a GEO, I understand it. when it comes to making a tomato sit on a shelf for a month because it has the gene of some sort of arctic fish. I got it. Okay, I'm with you. I'm with you there. >> And it's it's I think it's that's again it's a great point you make because it it there are there's been speculation that perhaps these things don't necessarily want to clone and hybrid and

20:30 look like us and be like us and act like us. Thank God. uh but uh perhaps it's that they've lack something um as a perhaps reproductive capability. Right? So they're looking at okay well humans are very prolific. They they obviously know how to reproduce. Maybe there's something in human DNA that allows us to to find that way where we can now you know reproduce again. Perhaps they've lost their ability to reproduce. We don't we simply don't know. And and again I'm this is mere speculation here. So let me just put this out there that right now these are just if you were to go down the scientific avenue of why something would want to crossbreed with human beings. You know we are a very adaptive creature. We can live on ver virtually all seven continents on this planet. We can swim. We can we can run. We can crawl. Uh and and we do a lot of things pretty well. We do have an incredible ability to adapt. We're found from northern northern snow regions all the way down into the deserts and human beings can thrive. There's only a few

21:31 places where human beings can thrive. We're we're even in outer space right now with with the space station, right? Even underwater, you have these hotels underwater where people can scuba dive and u you know, we we are masters of our environment. Um, and and maybe there's something there that's that's interesting or enticing to something that is definitively not human and say, "Hey, these little these little furry monkeys over here have found a way to, you know, do certain things that we can't. Maybe maybe there's something there that we we want to look into." You know, there's a whole bunch of reasons. Why do we study right now genetically cows? We do it all the time, right? uh why do we study the animals that we do whether it's a great white shark in in the Pacific Ocean or uh you know a buffalo on the African Serengeti. >> Okay. Um you know we we're we're engaged in this conversation about what these things may be. I want to jump ahead to a video of one of these scientists uh before we dissect that whole situation because when I saw this,

22:34 I thought that this woman was an alcoholic, maybe had a drug problem. By the way, may maybe she did. Um she's saying some of the craziest I've ever heard in my entire life to the point that I was like, "Oh, she's mentally ill. She's a drug addict." And it turns out, I'm going to play that clip in just a moment, but to preface this for everybody before they watch it, turns out that she is a quote polymath, which means, hang on, where are my notes on her? Just a second. Here we go. A double major in chemistry and biology with a mastery of electrical engineering and physics. She was the co-founder of the Institute for Exotic Science in Huntsville, Alabama, which is called Rocket City. It's known as the heart of the aerospace defense world. It's also arguably, and Lou, correct me if I'm wrong, where Project Paperclip began. So, German scientists, 1600 of them, uh,

23:35 that were brought over after World War II to work on exotic physics were taken, including anti-gravity. I don't even know what this is. Zero Point Energy. Uh all of their projects were swiftly classified as black budget in the defense industry. Um her and her father worked on anti-gravity technology. She thought that she was being stalked uh by Rathon and Black Rockck because they wanted to suppress her work. In June of 2022, she was only 34 years old. She was found dead, the official ruling was um we'll say selfdeletion uh for the algorithm here by a self-inflicted gunshot wound and in months leading up to her death, she told colleagues that she was being targeted by energy weapons and I have seen pictures of her hands that look like they were put in a microwave um which we'll pop in here and post. Uh, she was being harassed as

24:37 mentioned by defense contractors and she explicitly said, "If you see any report that I killed myself, I most definitely did not." Guys, can we throw up SAT three, please? >> The ultraterrestrials, I think. Have you heard of the P-52s and the P47s? Do you know what that is? They're us from the future. They're from here. They are you. They are me. They're from here. from the future. is present plus 47,000 years. P-52 is present plus 52,000 years. [snorts] And basically there's a calamity, right? So there's like a apocalypse scenario in the near future. It wipes out most of like everything, And there's the ones that go underground and survive, right? And then there's the ones that somehow stay on the surface

25:39 and miraculously don't die. >> Okay. So, obviously, as mentioned, when I saw this, I was like, "Oh, she's, you know, she's mentally ill, only to learn, by the way, maybe maybe she is." Um, she seems drunk. Uh, I think it's confirmed that she is drunk in that video, but she also happens to be a legitimate genius who was legitimately working on anti-gravity technology. Legitimately said, "If I turn up dead, I did not delete myself. Something's wrong." So, Lou, who is this woman, and what do you think about what she just said? >> Well, I um I had the privilege of meeting Amy Escridge years ago uh when she was in Huntsville, Alabama. It is true that uh she has a deep science background. It is true um that her and her father were absolutely convinced. I had dinner with them, in fact, with a group of other individuals uh back in I believe in Huntsville, what you call Rocket City. And we'll we'll talk a

26:39 little bit about that, why Huntsville is so important. and uh she had indicated to myself and other members of ATIP that they had succeeded in in in creating an anti-gravity device and could actually demonstrate it and show it and she was very concerned for her her safety and well-being. Um and uh she said that she has been har that is true. She what she's what she said about being harassed is something she conveyed to me as well. Um, now let's me before I continue talking about about Miss Escridge, allow me to digress for just a moment about uh what you talked about, which is Huntsville, Alabama or Rocket City and Operation Paperclip. Operation Paperclip was a US government effort um right at the end of World War II to take Germany's best scientific minds, bring them here, and try to to exploit that knowledge. And so, for example, uh Dr. Vera von Brown who was a very senior scientist at NASA responsible for the Saturn 5 rocket that took mankind to the

27:41 moon. He was a Nazi uh in fact and he was brought over as part of Operation Paperclip and many other scientists. In fact, NASA owes its origins, believe it or not, to exNazi scientists. um these a lot of these scientists were very close themselves to developing an atomic weapon and some of these were allegedly um involved in anti-gravidic type experiments in Nazi German Germany. Uh, one specific that that creates a lot of lore is called DeLaca or the Bell, where there was this bell-shaped craft allegedly being developed by the Nazis um using uh some sort of spintronics that would be able to defy gravity. And this was part of what Hitler at the time, the Third Reich, they referred to the Vundova program or the wonder weapon program um in order to try to gain a an advantage um over the allies. um in World War II. And so uh at the end of World War II, we brought these scientists over. We all gave them a lot

28:41 of gave them jobs, paid them an obscene amount of money, and said, "Okay, your loyalty is now with us. Um you know, let's let's move forward." So when you look at, for example, the V2 rocket, which reigned absolute terror down on on on the UK and England, um the V2 rocket is really no different than the Saturn 5 rocket we used 20ome years later, 30 years later to go to the moon. It's it's basically a liquid propellant rocket. Um, if you compare that to a Scud missile that we we we see now a lot. Um, it's almost the exact same technology. So, we we we capitalized on that and we brought them to Huntsville, Alabama initially as part of Operation Paperclip to to help jumpstart our our space program and and know a little bit more about maybe some advanced aerospace type capabilities, maybe some research and experiments that they were working on back in Germany that we didn't have access to, but it was very interesting. showed some promise like the jet engine. Let's not forget that the me the messmmit was one of the first jet powered aircraft to be used in combat and it was German, right? They also had

29:42 a rocket powered aircraft as well. Um, you know, it's not coincidence that just a few years later the US government had their own jet airplanes, their own jet fighters. Um, and that's common. That's part of the spoils of war. You want to you want to learn from your enemy and see if you can you can take advantage of some of those those technologies maybe that we were unsuccessful at the time. doing. Now, back to Escridge and forgive me for kind of going around here, but I want to make sure I address everything you say because I think it's really important. You're >> you're saying a lot of really rich information and I want to make sure your audience can really appreciate it. It's really good. >> So, we go back to >> she is she was very much convinced that that um she was being harassed. Now when you look at directed energy weapon, this is nothing new. Uh we the United States, even the the the Russian government, China, uh we've been looking at directed energy weapons for a very long time.

30:43 What is a directed energy weapon? Well, it's no different than a giant laser gun. You can take a laser gun, which is directed energy. You're focusing a beam of light, and you're using it to create a kinetic action, meaning to either disrupt or blow up a missile or something like that. But it doesn't have to be a laser. Directed energy really is any type of of form of energy that you can direct and concentrate into a very narrow area or beam. And why is that important? Because the human body does not do well at all with with with directed energy. In fact, it's a reason why when you have go to your microwave oven, you'll see that like little shield in the front of it. That's to protect you from microwave radiation that might bleed away or stray away from the microwave. Um, it's the same reason why they say you can only have so many X-rays in a particular given year because it's harmful. What happens with these the this this this energy when it enters a human body and we're going to go back to your DNA conversation here, it actually disrupts the genetic code of human DNA and animal DNA and anything

31:43 biological. So, you want to avoid directed energy. Now, you've heard about this conversation about quote unquote Havana syndrome. Um, I don't know if you know this, but we this last year we had our first fatality of of an individual uh who was at an embassy. Uh, he was an intelligence officer and uh he was one of the first patients to to to be diagnosed with this mysterious Havana syndrome while he was at the embassy and and he died. Uh, he passed away this this last year. I know another individual who I had the privilege of working with at the Pentagon. He is also a a a Havana syndrome patient. the government actually labeled him as Havana syndrome patient. Um, and the speculation is there is that Russia or some other country perhaps a rogue country has developed this this silent weapon that uses directed energy. Think of like an X-ray gun uh where you can you can you know you can bribe people's uh internal organs and cause serious serious damage and which ultimately

32:44 relates to things like cancer. If you go all the way back to World War II and you look at really the impact of the atom bomb, it wasn't the initial explosion. What created the devastation was the years and years following Hiroshima and Nagasaki of radiation poisoning. And so it can be extremely detrimental. And so back to Amy Esgridge, you know, Amy Escridge was claiming she was being attacked and harassed, but more importantly attacked by directed energy weapon. Um it is true that Havana syndrome was being taken very very seriously by the US government at the time and it is possible that um individuals were were were suffering the consequences of it. Um, the reason why you see when you say you saw her hands and they looked red, >> we while I was at the Pentagon, we actually had um we actually had a study and we had we had medical doctors and even surgeons that were assigned to our program that were trying to understand the symptoms of when you got too close to to to directed energy. And in this

33:47 particular case, a UFO because a lot of the pilots that were reporting a near encounter with a UFO would come back and it looked like they had sunburn, right? their their skin was red and it was a little bit blotchy. And it turns out that that is very consistent with with with superficial radiation poisoning just like a sunburn burn. You get too close and you get too much UV light on your skin and what happens? Your skin gets red and you know you burn. Um, so you know, if if if Amy was a victim to to some sort of directed energy, um, you could potentially see that reening of skin and then even more you'd have the the consequences of internal organ damage and eventually organ failure because what happens it starts with the skin, but if it if that energy is is is energetic enough and it's being directed at you, it actually goes inside your body and gets absorbed by by your by your major organs. And um again they do not do well with radiation. Um Amy uh was very convinced that her and her father and this is what I what I can tell you her and her father

34:47 were absolutely convinced that they had perfected and could demonstrate and test Um I was supposed to go over and get a demonstration of this the month the month following. Um, unfortunately that that didn't didn't come to bear and um, you know, turns out unfortunately that that Amy's not here anymore to to answer some of these direct questions. But I met her and she seemed like a very very nice girl. I I don't know a woman. I don't I did not know her personally. I did not I did not know if she suffered from any type of uh of mental illness. Um, is it possible? Sure. You know, I got a lot of my colleagues that come back from warfare with PTSD and and and suffer psychologically. Um, it is common. So, I'm not going to say that she she either she did or she didn't. I don't know. I'm not a not a trained medical doctor. I could not tell you if she she suffered from depression or anything like that, but what I can tell you is that she was absolutely convinced and so was her father that people were trying to silence them. And she said this to me at a table with other

35:49 witnesses. We had a pretty large group, maybe maybe eight to 10 of us at the time to include, like I said, one of my uh colleagues who was a scientist for us in ATIP. Uh and um you know, they were very convinced that that someone was trying to to to silence them. This was in Huntsville, Alabama. It it was in Rocket City. It it was Redstone Missile >> Okay, so two things. I remember reading a book by Michokaku. We may have talked about this previously, so if we did, I apologize. And it was called physics of the future. And he talked about how if you could reverse the magnetic field and essentially float something like a car, one drop of gas would allow this car to drive for a full year because there's no friction. So you can see why certain industries, the way that the world is set up economically, would arguably not want this to happen. But one would also presume that the

36:50 Rathons and the Black Rocks would be funding this kind of technology. And this is where she sort of loses me because why wouldn't they have brought her into the fold, have funded her work, have owned the patents? Why is this woman just alone making videos in her living room talking about this? It How is the How is she just some sort of solo seemingly weirdo who who has developed this? Why is she not like at NASA at MIT? Why is this tech not owned? This is where it's like that's ridiculous. Doesn't make sense. >> Yeah. Well, I will I will say in defense of that type of behavior, um you know, a lot of times if you're very vocal, um the one thing secrecy hates is is someone who's vocal. Um you know, there's an old saying, you know, how do you keep a secret between two people? Well, one of them has to die. Um, so if you have very very sensitive research you're doing, what you don't want to do

37:51 is is necessarily reach out to somebody who who can't be controlled. Uh, or for whatever reason um may be willing to violate a security oath. You know, let me I'm going to turn it for just a moment just to to my own personal situation. Um, you know, I I've been personally threatened as well. But I think the only reason why I'm I'm still here to have this conversation with people is because I've never violated my security oath. I'm still very much a loyal American. I I love my country. I love my government and I I want to continue doing what's right for it. I don't want to hurt it. I'm actually doing what I'm doing because I'm a patriot. Because I I I love my country and I'm trying to help it get out of a corner that it's put itself into after 80 90 years of of of ob off obiscation. Um, I'm trying to help it. Um, I'm not trying to hurt my government. And I think that may be the one of the reasons why because I will never discuss anything that's classified. I will never violate my security oath under any circumstances. And I think there are people in places probably realize that. I've made it very

38:52 clear and and not just saying it through my actions. you know, I've had opportunity to to do things and say things for for self- gain, self-promotion in the past, and I refuse to do it um because I don't want to do it at the cost of of real disclosure, real transparency. There's a lot of good things happening right now in Congress that's happening, a lot of good folks. You have folks like Anna Pelina Luna. Uh you also have uh Representative Bett, Representative Berles. You also have other folks on the other side of the aisle. you know, you have the Senator Kristen Gillibrand um and and other and and Booker all doing a lot of really good work in this topic. And you know, you don't want to violate people's trust. Um if Amy is getting on YouTube and doing personal um videos about about maybe her work, maybe that made some people nervous enough where they said, "Look, you know, this is somebody maybe maybe maybe can't be controlled. may be somebody who, you know, is going to stray off the the reservation or stray from from being on script. Now, with that said, I I I'm not So, let me be

39:53 very clear here. I'm I'm not on any type of script. A lot of people are going to say, "Oh, Lou is just a show for the US government, and you know, this is soft disclosure." What people are totally entitled to their opinions, but that's not the case. >> Even please disclose. [laughter] Even if it was, >> then then okay, let's let's continue disclosing. I I couldn't care less if if this quite honestly if this was actually part of the plan then great. Okay, disclose because it's I can't even believe we're having this conversation. Like I don't even know how I'm supposed to react to you. You got to you got to the hybridization programs the girls saying that like these are humans from 47,000 years from now. Like it's >> Yeah. I I can't I can't even comment on that because to truth be told I have no idea. I've had I've had people telling me it's you know as a theory well maybe these are ourselves from the future. The problem with that from a scientific perspective it is almost impossible if not impossible for us to time travel

40:54 in the past. Now there is some research that suggests that maybe we that that time travel is possible in one direction perhaps moving forward and and if you look at a black hole the model of a black hole and the warping of spaceime yes space and time have this interesting relationship and if you understand how it works you potentially can manipulate spaceime to your advantage and and do things that would seem to be impossible by our our current technological standards. But it doesn't mean that you can go back thousands and thousands of years. Um there are there are issues in physics that prevent that from at least >> from us being able to even model anything like that. So um for me I've always had a little bit of of trouble um digesting that theory that they whatever they are are >> are from the future. I I you now would it make a very clever excuse? Sure. if you want to use as cover for action, you know, maybe it's maybe it's a lie that we've been told in order to, you know, protect where they're really from. I I

41:55 don't know. Um I I I have a hard time though, again, and this is using our current model of physics, and I could be proved proven completely wrong in in 10 years from now, but I I don't think that these are visitors from the future. I I I just there's too many inconsistencies. Um there's too many paradoxal challenges uh involving that. Uh you know there's the old story what happens if you go back in time and you know you kill your grandfather. Well then you don't exist and then you can't go back in time. And so there's this weird paradox there. Um and there's also some other issues in physics that that restrict us from being able to actually go back in time per se. So I I do not necessarily subscribe to that but you know it doesn't mean that that there's not not some truth there. So many people walk out of a doctor's appointment with no real answers, no data, no plan, just you're good, you're fine. Meanwhile, you're left guessing about everything. And that's exactly why I'm so into Superpower. You can do a lab test from home or a nearby lab, and it

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43:59 >> Well, even then you might not be able to. So, you know, there's there's So, we're going to get just for a moment here into the fundamentals of of our reality. Um, we are a physical species [clears throat] that lives in a three-dimensional space. So, you can go forward, backwards, left, and right, and up and down. And a combination of those, you can maneuver in a threedimensional space. And time has often been described as a fourth dimension, right? So, you have this this ability to experience time, but we as human beings experience time very linearly. Um, but we're beginning to realize through certain models of quantum physics that time really isn't as linear as we thought. And the two ways to warp spaceime fundamentally is with a lot of mass. And you said it earlier, depending on what size planet you're on, the gravitational pull is going to be stronger. And don't look now, but that's actually warping spaceime. The reason why you and I are on the surface of the planet of Earth is because we're all being pulled down equally at 9.8 meters/s squared. And that is due to the mass of Earth. And if we were standing on Jupiter, that would be greater. And so therefore, we would

45:01 experience a greater pool. If we were standing on the moon, it'd be much less. The other way to warp space time, and eventually, by the way, if the gravity is so great like a black hole, you you can you can collapse spacetime on >> such a hole. >> Um, that's right. And so the other way to warp spaceime is with a lot of energy. And I mean, a truckload of energy. Um, so you can either do it with because of E= MC². that that little that little equation that Einstein came up with really says energy and mass are fundamentally the same thing in two different states. If you take matter and you annihil it, when you annihilate it, what do you get? You get pure energy, right? And and vice versa. There's a fundamental relationship between between energy and mass. And you can think of it in a very very lay perspective. Um, some physicists will jump all over me for saying it, but but in a very lay perspective, you can think of think of water. Um, and think of ice as being matter. It's hard. It's tough, right? Strong ice. And think of steam as being energy. They're both fundamentally the same thing. They're both really elements

46:01 of water, but they're in two different energetic states. Um, so, you know, you need a lot of lot of energy. You need a lot of steam to equate to, you know, a block of ice because that block of ice is condensed. It's heavy. And if you want to have a bucket as heavy as a block of ice, you need a, you know, a heck of a lot more steam. In fact, it turns out being if I were to take this cup here and I convert that cup is full of water, let's just say hypothetically, instead of coffee, uh, and I convert it to steam, that will now occupy 1,700 times its volume. And that is what led to the industrial revolution. It's it's it's a reason why why our species was able to break out and and really evolve technologically over the last few hundred years because we understood that very simple principle. If you take water and you convert it to steam, you can do work. And so that is you know back to the fundamentals of of warping in spaceime. Now you said about going the speed of light, right? Um there is a universal speed limit to the speed of light. Uh and that is roughly 186,000

47:02 miles per second. Or if you want to look at it, compare it to something else, you can roughly go around the Earth seven and a half times in one second. So that is really fast and it takes a lot of energy to do that. And the current rules of physics says we we can never get we can never go the speed of light. We'll never be able to break the speed of light for very various reasons that I won't get into here. Um but um you know you you can't do it. Now with that said, >> with every rule there's an exception. So it wasn't until recently that we were able to do some tests that actually validated that there is some things that potentially potentially can go faster than the speed of light. One of that is one of those things is called quantum communication. So if I have two let's >> say quantum entanglement. >> Yeah, that's exactly right. >> Is that the same thing as spooky action at a distance? >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Exactly right. So >> Okay. Will you explain this? I I know a little bit about it. Okay. I'm going to be quiet. I'm sorry. Yeah, it's absolutely fascinating and and and the Chinese and the Russians and we are

48:02 we're doing a lot of research into it. So let's say you have two particles and they are quantum entangled meaning that there is a very special relationship. There's a marriage between these two objects that is inseparable. And so if I take this object and I act upon it in a certain way, this object that is married to this one will will react. And that is true whether these two things are separated by an inch, by a mile, or 100,000 lightyears. In fact, if I act upon this one, this quant this this entangled particle will react instantly. It doesn't matter if it's halfway around the universe, it is still going to react. So that means fundamentally there's something going on here we don't understand. there is some form of and I use the term um very loosely communication between this object and this object that somehow seems to be going much much faster than the speed of light. How is it that if I act upon this and I I I I put a stimulus on this that instantly and this is on the opposite

49:03 end of the universe will react to it. Well, either a something's going much much faster than the speed of light, or that there is some loopholes to spacetime, meaning the way we look at space um is not exactly the way it really is. It's more like Swiss cheese. And you can find these little holes in spaceime uh and what we might refer to as a wormhole. and and be able to now go from the distance between here and here may to us be halfway across the universe but from a quantum entangle perspective may only be a couple feet apart. So there there is that and then you have another idea about time. Um and this is going to be put your seatelt on for this because we're this is going to go a little bit down the rabbit hole for you but there's been experiments we've done these the US government so this is not just hyperbole here. Um, there was a time where the US government, and by the way, Russia had a program called remote viewing. It was called Operation Stargate. And before

50:03 that, it was called Operation Grill Flame and whatnot, where we trained people, trained soldiers to be to be to conduct psychic espionage. Um, and what they would do is remote view targets uh that were separated by space and time. And we collected intelligence. And if you don't believe me, you can look it up. It's called Operation Stargate. In fact, one of the people, the grandfathers of that effort is my close personal friend, Dr. Hal Puto. Um, and they did a lot of work for the CIA, by the way, in remote viewing because the Russians did it, too. Now, how is it that a human being can look at something that is either not here anymore uh or or maybe there in the future and not here now uh up to within a certain limitation? Well, it's been it was explained to me by by some of these these physicists that time itself, if you look at it, is a lot like like a cigar. And we'll talk about it in a minute. But if I were to ask you a question, Jillian, just a very simple question. What is your

51:03 simplest um definition of the past in in few words as possible, less than a sentence? If I had to say, okay, what is your definition of the past? What would it be? Okay, I know I'm supposed to say things that have already happened, but I know that they're happening simultaneously. >> Even though that's how we perceive and define the past. >> I understand a little of it, Lou. I thought the remote viewing was like a was a joke. I thought they got a bunch of like psychics and it turned out to be >> So, I'm just gonna keep very real. >> Okay, I'm not going to talk anymore. >> So, no, you're absolutely. So, you're you're already ahead of the game on this. So bottom line is that um exactly the the past is things events that have already happened. And by that same logic, if you want to describe the future, it's events that haven't happened yet. So what does the present mean? Which is by the way where we live our life. Everything that we experience, our happiness, our sadness, our anger, our our our hopes and our dreams, everything happens in the present. That

52:03 is where we live our life. And yet, if you really look at what the present is, it's an almost impossible part of spaceime that's that you can't even define because it's so fleeting because because most of reality is either the past or the future. And and you can think of it you can think of of of time as being a cigar. Imagine the past being the ashes of the cigar, the elements that have already been burnt up. You can't go back. Imagine the future as being that part of the cigar that's intact. It hasn't burned up yet. It hasn't been consumed by by fire and it's it's just there. It's not doing anything. The present where we live is this cherry, this moment of ignition where the cigar or the cigarette begins to burn. And if you had the ability to look at that, look at that cigar as it's burning u microscopically and maybe remove some of the glare so you could actually see what's going on, you would notice that at the point of ignition that cigar, that cigarette burns unevenly. Meaning

53:04 you will, if you were to really focus in and zoom into that cherry, you would see elements of the tobacco burning before other elements until finally at the sum at the sum game at the end, it's all But that part of the cherry is still burns unevenly. And that is where we live. We we live our life in this infantessimally small part of spaceime that's probably more more accurately measured in plank time than it is in seconds. Um where where all our reality occurs. And so some have speculated that human beings, consciousness, human consciousness, which which may be a quantum process, believe it or not, uh actually involving quantum entanglement, human consciousness, that some people have the ability to experience spaceime where that cherry or that cigar is a little bigger, meaning more elements of the past and more elements of the future are being experienced as if it's happening right now. So that was the explanation that was provided to me by some of the folks who actually started

54:05 the remote viewing programs. Um Stargate I had many names before that. Um and if you look at the data that we had at the Pentagon, it absolutely worked. Make no mistake. Um in fact it may have worked too well because at one point um Congress got involved. um some of the religious folks did not like what was being done and um General Stpplebind was actually hauled up before Congress and and privately they they dragged him away and said hey you know what we think you're doing is demonic you really shouldn't be doing this and you're playing with fire and uh he responded by saying why why do you care how I do intelligence operations as long as the information is accurate you shouldn't really care um and if you want to know how effective it was you can look at some of the cases where remote viewers were able there was a there was a a a test plane, a Russian aircraft, a supersonic aircraft that actually crashed in Africa and all our best satellites and no one knew where it was. Russians even know where it was, where it crashed and it was remote viewers that actually were able to get the coordinates of that aircraft and were

55:05 able to I don't know if I can talk about it but able to our thing um at the crash site. So um you know it does work. Um the question the problem is is that it's it we still don't understand exactly how it works and it makes a lot of people very uncomfortable and it's very hard to quantify and qualify its successes but we took it very seriously and you know so do other countries. >> Okay. So essentially are you suggesting that we can train ourselves to see the future or there are people that have a natural ability to do both may be the case. Um, if I I actually talk about it a little bit. I I wasn't allowed to for a long time. I I tangentially brushed up against the Stargate program as it was as it was coming to an end. >> Um, when I was in the army, I was recruited by a gentleman named Eugene Lesman and he was one of the the the best remote viewers at the time for the US Army. Um, and um, [snorts] Congress

56:10 pulled the funding and I wound up just becoming an operations officer somewhere. Uh, but I I I was there long enough to to know the program was real. Uh, I was there long enough to know that they they actually took it very seriously. There's actually an Army standard operating procedure, an SOP that was written that I think is now declassified. You can probably pull it up online. Um, it was the handbook on remote viewing for for for the US Army on how to remote view. Um and it was very regimented. Um as you can imagine any operation right in the army everything is dress right dress everything is very detail focused. Um and it turns out that you know a lot of people can can do it. It's really not voodoo science. It's probably just quantum physics to be honest with you. And in fact it may nothing it may be nothing new. In fact it may be something very old. It may be vestigial. Kind of like when you look at the human appendix. Why do we have this organ that we don't really use anymore? Well because at one time in the past we needed it. It's very possible that this is the same way that that re viewing may be nothing more than like a six sense that we had um and and it may be quite

57:12 common in the animal kingdom as a as as a means of survival. Right? If you come out of the cave and you're not sure what's behind that bush over there, perhaps that is what saved you from being eaten by the lion. Um so it may be be something that we we've been doing for a long time. In fact, a lot of indigenous cultures here in the new world um don't look at remote viewing as being anything special. Um to them, it's just normal. It's just the way life is. >> Okay, another question. We shut it down here, but other countries are not going to shut it down. So, China's not going to shut it down. Wouldn't that inherently put us at a pretty significant disadvantage? >> That is a great question. Um, so let me see if I can answer it this way. Uh, you don't ever get rid of something because it works. Um, you might get rid of something publicly. Um, >> but you don't ever really

58:12 >> That makes sense. Understood. Okay, >> that's about all I can say. >> One more. No problem. I got it. Okay, so one more question. If I could see into the future, Lou, I'm getting lottery numbers. Do you know what I mean? That's it. I'm getting lottery numbers and I'm buying an island and I am checking out of this crazy So like why is nobody or I mean I'm not hearing about people that guessed every lottery number every week. Like that's what I would do. I would say okay I'm going to look into the super lottery tomorrow. >> I would love for you to talk to one of my uh former colleagues um Dr. Halputoff the one of the like I said one of the the the godfathers if you will of the remote view view view view view view viewing program Stargate and grill flame and whatnot um they did exactly that um their budget was getting cut so they decided for a month to play the stock market and you know what they made 2 million bucks uh but there is this weird rule with karma that if you try to use it for self gain and I don't know why this happens it's like the laws of the universe are against you but if you use it for self gain um it wind up always

59:14 something backfiring uh and it winds up being worse for you and that is exactly what happened. Um, but that's not my story to tell. If if you ever want to have a really interesting guest, uh, talk to Dr. Hal Pudof. Um, he has a long history with the intelligence community. Uh, he's exceptionally intelligent and he can tell you more or less um, how how this works and why certain things you can do and you can't do. Um, I've always made it a rule, you know, don't ever use anything for for personal gain or for for selfish gain. Um, you know, the universe has this weird weird karma thing where u you know, eventually you're gonna you're going to have to you're going to have to pay pay back somehow. Uh, and I believe that remote viewing is is no different. Um, you know, there is a requirement to self-regulate and there's kind of an unwritten rule that you never use it for bad purposes or selfish purposes. Now, is it? I'm sure it is. Um, but again, this is something you'd probably want to talk to to Dr. Pudof. he he can go into a lot more detail because he was there from the beginning to the program all the way to the end. I just kind of

1:00:15 skimmed over the water top at the very very end. So he he would know a lot But they did that and they played a lot and they played uh the stock market and they and >> they did they once I think made $2 million in the first month and then you know they whole program wound up getting shut down. >> Oh my god. Well, that I mean what's fascinating about that is there are so many evil people in the world and you wonder why they don't get justice. You're telling me these guys gamed the stock market and got justice instantaneously. Like that's >> you have to ask him. You know, it's it is and I've seen it over and over again. Um you know, I I don't know what causes the universe to to give people their just desserts or not. I I I don't know. You know, I tend to try to try to always follow the golden rule of don't judge others and hopefully they won't judge >> Um, but yeah, you're right. There's a lot of bad people in the world that do a lot of bad things and they get away with it. And and I I don't know why that is. Maybe they don't get away with it. Maybe at the end, you know, uh you have this

1:01:17 reckoning, this this um this balancing of the account. Um at least certainly that's that's what I would hope. Um but it's it's a great question and I would talk to again talk talk to Dr. Hal Pudof talked to some of the other folks that were Joe McMongle who uh who actually teaches remote viewing I believe still u there's a lot of folks in the Washington DC area that worked for the CIA work for INSCOM um and uh they they can tell you a lot more specifics if that's something you're interested in let me know and I can I can get you connected. >> I mean I would love it. I would love it. I I would love it. Um, okay. So, we're talking a little bit about things that work outside of the system and we've talked about this before. There are employees like the president that are in and out. They get four years, maybe eight, and they're gone. There are things they don't know. Trump has just the first trunch of uh UAP files. you are going to be more aware than anyone

1:02:19 that people are dissatisfied to say the least. I um watched a hilarious interview with Affinity on Newsmax just screaming this guy Dr. Greer who you were obviously going to know who that is and the poor guy didn't even get to answer a question. He's like why this is I'm done with this and and he's not the only one. People are just fed up. They've had it. Even Benny Johnson, >> he's a huge friend of the administration is like, "This is there's nothing here. They've given us nothing." You know, grainy videos. Um, and then Steven Greer said this, I believe same day. Let me pull up the number uh of this soundbite. Guys, can we see ST number four, please? >> And this I want to be clear about. There are two governments. There's the government [clears throat] you know about we elect and appoint. There's a shadow or secret government that is actually running this and that

1:03:19 is not a conspiracy theory. It's a fact. We can prove it. And what that means is routinely presidents, sect defs and others, they will get the most superficial information on this whereas the the codeword level special access projects top secret special department information is something they never can penetrate because it's operating outside the constitutional chain of command. I cannot say that more clearly. And that was the conclusion we reached in 1993. Not because I was googling conspiracy theories, but because I met and briefed the director of the CIA who told me point blank that he and the president were denied access. Okay, this is serious problem for our country and for the world. So when the most important issue in the history of the human species comes up and you have the rule of law completely subverted by an unelected unsanctioned group, we can have our phones off. Um, then I think

1:04:20 this is a real problem. >> Who is he talking about if he's not talking about the president and the CIA or or is this just bologoney? It doesn't seem like it. Seems like you and I have talked about this and it's very real. >> Yeah. No, I I will tell you I give credit where credit is due. Um, I agree with Dr. Greer um on this perspective because I' I've seen it. I was part of it. Um, look, let's let's not forget that the simple fact that when I was at ATIP, the US government was telling everybody UAP aren't real. We don't pay attention to them. and we were spending $22 million of your tax money looking into it, right? And the president wasn't briefed. In fact, neither was the secretary of defense at the time, not that one anyways. There's only a few members of Congress that were. Um there that is the problem because you have these there are there are very few exceptions in our constitution that allow the American government to do things and only tell a very small group of people. Um, one of those, and I'm going to be very cautious how I how I talk about this, but if you look at the definition of covert action, that is one

1:05:21 of those legal exceptions where the US government is allowed to lie to the American public. They are allowed to lie to most of Congress, and they're allowed to lie to the world in order to protect a mission or an operation. But there's very specific rules on how you conduct covert action. The problem is is that when you have an operation being done that is not under that legal umbrella and not under the legal umbrella of Executive Order 123 and the National Security Act of 1947 and IRTPA of 2004, etc., etc., etc. Um, you you are doing an extra constitutional activity. You're doing something illegal. Now, there is there's checks and balances on our government. There's a group of people called the gang of six in Congress that on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence that are supposed to have access to all classified information because they are the legislative overseer of the executive branch and they they're the ones that have to remain accountable for this. >> But we know very well that the gang of six is a lot of times not briefed in to

1:06:22 anything. Um and that's a problem. We know for a fact to interrupt you. Who who is the gang of six right now? >> Uh those are individuals on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, the They are it's a committee within the Senate. And then there's also a House version of that um which is uh the HIPSY uh House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. So these are the folks that are designed in these committees to basically got it. Sorry. >> Oversee the executive branch uh doing these these type of jobs. And and you know, Dr. Greer is absolutely right from that perspective. One area I will agree with him on is that there is a shadow government that has uh probably gone back into to since the late 40s early 50s um that has has made a lot of decisions on behalf of the American people it really did not have the authority to have. And in fact, there's a famous quote by Eisenhower, if you ever want to see when he was leaving office. He warns America specifically about the threat of the military-industrial complex um and uh

1:07:24 the fact that decisions are made. >> So, it's private industry. >> Well, it's it's it's quasi. It's both. It's it's a cooperation between elements within the US government and elements outside the US government that are still working with the US government supposedly uh you know at at the behest of of the American people. Um but look, if you if all I got to say is a few words and this will this will resonate. If we don't think that our government has done this before and not told Congress, all you have to do is look at um you know things like Watergate, look at things like um Iran Contra, look at things like the Pentagon papers, right? Where we have done things and lied to the American people about it only later on to get caught and have to say, "Oops, yeah, you're right about that." Um, it it it happens unfortunately and there've been there's guardrails now in place to try to prevent that, but it still >> I want to backtrack on the scientists for a second. Um, because if anybody, if

1:08:25 they are in fact missing or deceased due to foul play, I would imagine it would be the shadow government. Would that be a safe assumption? Like, it's probably not China. It's probably not Russia. And I say this because I'm going to show you a clip where there are Chinese scientists missing just like there are American ones right now and they're showing up gone, deceased in some cases, not just disappeared. There is this has happened before. So my team found this. This is Barbara Uh I believe it's sought six guys. This is the 1980s, Lou. Take a look at this. >> That if it were fiction, it would likely be a bestseller because all of the dead, almost two dozen today, worked in Western Europe's defense industry. >> And the deaths, some bizarre by any standards, have been scattered across the continent. Only by chance did the

1:09:25 pattern emerge. But the question is obvious. Is this all just coincidence? Or has international espionage produced a string of murders? Stone Phillips went to Europe to investigate and here's what he found out. >> The mystery begins here in picturesque Bristol, England. In August 1986, Vimal Dubai, [music] a 24year-old computer scientist, drove his car to this 200t high suspension bridge. He walked out along the edge. Then he jumped to his death. Or was he pushed? Belgi had left no suicide note. When his body was recovered, initial police reports noted a strange puncture mark on his thigh. But the case passed virtually unnoticed. Then one night about a month later on this hill overlooking Bristol, another young computer scientist, Ashad Shariff working for the same company tied a rope around a tree, wrapped the other end around his neck, then got back into his car and pushed the accelerator to the

1:10:26 Dejabi and Sharief were both working for Maronei, one of Britain's top defense contractors. And in less than a month's time, both had died unnatural deaths. This time, somebody noticed. >> I was given what I thought at the time was accurate information, but which later turned out to be um totally false. >> Tony Collins, a reporter with a trade publication called Computer News, started digging after receiving a tip. He discovered that one of the dead men worked on a highly secret project called Cosmos doing underwater torpedo research that also had applications to America's Star Wars program. Then Collins found that by merely knowing about the Cosmos project, Maronei felt he knew too much. The more inquiries I made about it, it seemed that the more upset Marone became and they wanted to know exactly what information we'd obtained. And they said that there had been an internal inquiry which had established that we'd been given information which could be harmful to the national interest.

1:11:27 >> Okay. Before before you comment on that, the parallels with what we're seeing now, that was two dozen scientists in the 80s. Right now we've got 11. I left out let's say three or four that seemed like maybe they were lumped in You have okay scientists that uh have mysteriously vanished. Some were found shot uh were killed in incidents so strange that nobody can make sense of them. like a Tesla car that spent four hours at an airport, drove on its own for two hours, and then crashed into a ball of flames with with one of the scientists in it. Um they are connected to sensitive scientific uh uh research defense institutions including NASA's Jet Propulsion Laborator Laboratory, Los Alamos National Laboratory, the Air Force Research Laboratory which are all deeply tied to advanced weapons systems,

1:12:28 aerospace engineering, nuclear research, propulsion technology, classified uh national security work, all of which is UAP adjacent. at Lou, I mean, I've got like eight names that are that are kind of uh bizarre, right? That you've got the one general who arguably was diagnosed with Alzheimer's and said he didn't want to go on. I you know, I left those people out. I I end up with about eight and it's happening in China. One more thing I want to show you before before I let you just go on this guys. Can I see SAT number five? At least 10 scientists in China died under what some are saying is are suspicious circumstances. This is just a bizarre case, not only here in the US, but now in China. Right. Good morning to you, Hannah. And there's other countries as well, but these dead Chinese scientists worked on everything from drones to military to AI to Taiwan invasion scenarios. And the deaths date

1:13:29 back to 2023. The deaths allegedly involved suicide, sudden illnesses, and car crashes. Right now, there is no evidence linking the cases in China to the US. And of course, China is often tight- lipped on matters of its national security and government, and it controls the media. But the obituary of one of the scientists on a state-run site said that he was sacrificed. Back here at home, the FBI and the House Oversight Committee are looking into what happened to our scientists and government workers, many of whom who had highlevel security clearance, some with access to classified material tied to nuclear, space, or defense work. >> Now, I'm not just looking at 11 people and and you know, some don't seem to belong on this list and weren't currently active. I've got a history of this now that's been established. I've got this going on concurrently in China. All right, everybody, picture this. It's late at night. You're scrolling and bam, the perfect product hits your feed. You add to the cart. You shop a bit more.

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1:16:32 question by using some other examples. So um Russia in the past um in order to control dissident um used assassinations. U most recently people are familiar with about 10 years ago when they uh went to the UK with radioactive material and unfortunately in a very sloppy way uh wound up releasing a bunch of radiation all over the place and all over Europe as part of a wet operation uh to silence one of the the the their vocal detractors. But before that, in the clip you just played there, uh, one of the gentlemen, they reported a little puncture wound in his thigh. Now, you may not be aware of this, maybe you are. Um, that is very reminiscent of Russian KGB uh, methods of operation. In fact, there was in London, again, there was an individual uh, several decades ago that was very vocal against Russia. And so what they did is they had this this one of their assassins had an umbrella and at the end of the umbrella was a tiny little spike. And what he did is he wound up jabbing

1:17:34 it into the leg as if he was falling and tripping. And inside that spike at the very end of the umbrella was a little tiny capsule of Ryson with one grain of rice and it wound up killing him. Um there was before him another uh example um and I it might have been with uh with Leon Trronsky where they used a cyanide gun. Someone was sitting in a park. They had a newspaper rolled up and inside there there was this little gun that would fire a capsule of cyanide and they'd basically shoot it into the face of one of their their people um and uh to to to murder them to eliminate them. There was another gentleman uh Gerald Bull. Gerald Bull was a scientist actually worked for NASA at one point. Canadian-born scientist uh who wound up uh developing something called the HARP gun, the high altitude research projects gun. And it was basically a huge conventional gun that would shoot a an artillery round into low Earth orbit. That's how powerful this thing was. And unfortunately, um he couldn't find

1:18:35 really a buyer for it. So he wound up working for the Iraqis and later on was assassinated because he was actually going to be conveying that technology in a in a gun that that's that they were developing. Saddam Hussein called the Babylon that was its target was Israel and so um obviously the United States and Israel not standing for it. >> Um had to make sure that this threat was eliminated. Now back to the Chinese scientists you know if these scientists and and this is pure let me just caveat this for the record. This is pure speculation on my part. But if those scientists happen to be intelligence assets for the US government and they were working some of these secret technologies, then one can imagine that the Chinese government would try to make an example, right? And and rather than haul them up into court and making a big political issue out of it, they did what the Russians did. They just eliminate people. And then what happens? The other scientists get the point very quickly and realize, hey, we better shut our mouths. we better not work with anybody here because, you know, the the PRC does

1:19:36 not does not condone this. And it may be why that individual wrote what he did where he says, I'm being sacrificed because maybe he knew that, you know, the gig was up. Maybe he was being controlled by some sort of foreign intelligence and China isn't going to put up with that. Um, and so they decided to resort to dirty tricks. So I we have to be careful making I mean there's superficially there's similarities between the scientists we have here in the United States missing or or dead and the ones that perhaps happened in China some time ago. Um but they also might be completely and totally different as well. And so we have to keep an open mind. We really need more data, more information. And this is why the FBI investigation is so important because they're going to be able to uncover links um that we simply wouldn't be able to do. They can look at phone records, right? They can look at all sorts of things to determine where these scientists were, who they were working with, and then start drawing on a map, you know, what are those commonalities, who did they have in common, uh, and to see if there's any linkages there. I agree with you. I

1:20:38 think some of these were probably natural death regarding the scientists, um, in our country, but I also know that some of them may not be. Um, and I say that because I was myself and David Grouch who we worked at the US Space Force together uh after I left the Pentagon. We were both threatened um very very specifically to to shut our mouths otherwise we would have our mouths shut for us. So um you know I I don't put it past anybody. Um, I think I think there's a lot at stake here, but at the same time, I do want to give law enforcement time, sufficient time and space for them to conduct their investigation because it's it's there's a lot there. >> You know, the there's the one woman um uh I can't remember her name right now, but she's hiking with a friend. She's about 30 feet behind the friend. They're hiking together, waves and smiles. Few seconds later, the friend turns around. She's gone. You can't find her. You

1:21:38 can't find like four or five of these missing people. But my producer Fletcher pointed out, he goes, "You know how we found the soldier in the mountains of Iran, right? We we heard his heart murmur." Jillian, do you really think we can't find him? Of course we can find them, Lou. So, it's like I just I just don't I don't know anymore. This is all so totally insane and unhinged that are we just supposed to get desensitized to it? Like, it just sounds so ridiculous and you just acclimate to the crazy. It's like the frog in the boiling pot of water. You're like, "Oh, well, of course they're crossbreeding us with aliens. Well, of course little creatures that are gray with big black eyes are abducting people in their houses in the middle of the night. Well, of course we're seeing into the future for intelligence purposes. How in the world do you sleep? How is this possible? Is there anything left

1:22:39 that I could tell you that would freak you out? >> Yeah. I mean, that says something about the human condition, doesn't it? Um, I'm going to share something else with you. I don't I don't think I've ever shared I might have. I don't think I shared this publicly. Um, but there was a uh Air Force ex air force officer and he was a cop and uh he uh he had several UAP experiences when he was in the Air Force and uh he was protecting a nuclear site um a US nuclear ballistic missile site. Long story short, um Oh boy. Um, so his wife and him were living together after they retired and uh his he he would have these strange encounters um at night around 3:00 3:33 in in the morning and uh he he'd say, "I'm gone. I'm I disappear into some sort of weird silver room and then I'm back in my bedroom again." Well, one evening his wife woke up and thought maybe he had gone to use a restroom. She searched the house. He was gone. He

1:23:40 wasn't there. And this was about 3:30 in the morning. And she said, 'Well, that's peculiar. Maybe he stepped out in the front lawn for a minute or something. So, she opened the front door. He's not there. Comes back and now he's back in bed. Right now, here's where it gets weird. His cell phone uh is an Apple device and he goes to the cell phone carrier to have it analyzed. Now, you know, these phones all have accelerometers in here, right? You can you can tell where the phone is at just about any given time and how long it's at a location. And you know, you can use a find my iPhone. When they analyzed the telemetry, it showed the phone was sitting by his bed the entire evening until precisely 3:30 in the morning. And for either six or eight minutes, it was it was over his house at 60 ft over his home. But there wasn't a slow acceleration of the phone. We can now have the phone in bed. Now all of a sudden it's moving up and going back down. No, it's here one moment. the very next moment it's 60 feet over his house

1:24:41 for for minutes at a time and then boom it's right back at his bedside again. Um and this this is the telemetry is there. This is not just him saying oh look he has the data from from the cell phone carrier showing that exploitation of that cell phone saying this is the telemetry that that the phone picked up. now was a phone, but but maybe there was a uh the phone wasn't operating properly, you know, who knows? But that data he has and his wife said, "Yes, this is this is correct. He was gone." Another case that will probably come to light here, um there was a very senior CIA officer who happens to be a friend of mine. Uh I'm not going to mention his name here, but he he's already come out a little bit and talked a little bit about this. His wife is also employee for the CIA. um and uh or was and uh she was I think a a psychologist for the agency and they were living in their home in Virginia and um they woke up in a complete panic uh and uh they

1:25:43 experienced something very unusual in their home and then they woke up on their back lawn and in their backyard. Both of them laying next to each other in the grass looking up. Um, when he went back to CIA, the doctors found puncture in the back of his his his neck. But more importantly, his wife when she sneezed, some sort of foreign material came out. What what they described as looking like some sort of technological metal chip. Um, and this is this is someone from from the was CIA, right? And by the way, a senior guy at the CIA. So this is not like grandma seeing some lights in the backyard. This is a a senior intelligence official for our government. that said point blank, this happened and you know there's people at the agency that are are witting to this fact. So, um yeah, it's uh it's it's >> all right. >> It's very interesting. All right. Uh I want to Okay, let's just real quick,

1:26:44 are these things demons in your opinion? >> Oh my gosh. You know, if you were to ask me, I think a lot of a lot of things can fall under the category of a demon, but um not necessarily in the religious perspective. Um I think, you know, having been to war, I I I' I've seen demons and and they carry machine guns and um you know, they they do terrible things to innocent civilians. Um so I'm a little bit more probably liberal with my my terminology of demons. I don't think that necessarily they're demons in a in a religious perspective, but it could also be that that we are um what a demon even is. Um I I spent some time I I again they're not here to say anything so I'm going to be a little general with this but I've spoken to people from the uh and they have said that there is a long history of the Christian faith um involving UAP and UFOs. Um it goes back thousands of years. In fact, there's

1:27:45 scrolls um talking about uh these flaming Roman shields, what they call eclipus, flaming Roman shields in the sky that would follow them from battle space to battle space. Um of course you had the Nerburgg incident that occurred in the 1500s where entire groups of towns people saw these things would look like an aerial dog fight of UFOs. Um and you can look that up too if you want. All this is this is all publicly available what I'm telling you. So this is not just speculation. this is this is you know this is reality. Um there are some who who have have have who [clears throat] have thought maybe the use of the of demons is a good way to keep people scared and not looking into this topic too much. U there were some people that said really >> you know >> are demons. Um, and if you look at some of the the the apocryphic um text that you mentioned earlier, uh, you mentioned Ezekiel's wheel, um, there's, you know, the book of Enoch and several other books that if you read those, you know, there seems to be really interesting

1:28:47 similarities um, between some of the sightings we see today and that are reported and some of the things that were witnessed um, thousands millennia ago. Um, so you know, it's it it's it's really hard to say no, it's not real. It doesn't exist. Look, there were times that we thought there were ancient sea monsters in our oceans, right? And we had these these sailors coming back with these fantastical stories of giant kraken and these huge octopus and and mermaids. And it turns out in reality, we laugh about it, but the reality is now we realize that they weren't wrong. You know, we just now have names for them. They're called the giant squid of the Pacific. They're called a great white shark, right? They're called the baine whale. Um, and they are part of our natural environment. They're just part of nature. We now understand them and they're not really monsters anymore. They're just part of our new reality, our new understanding of our reality. And it's quite possible that the topic of UAP may be very much the same way. We may be dealing with these things for millennia and only now at the point where we're beginning to realize uh, you know, they're not really monsters.

1:29:47 They're just maybe our neighbors, right? >> so, um, >> I like that better, but but I just >> when though like okay I think everyone's just over it at this point, you know, all of this stuff is so insane. It's being floated out everywhere. Soft rel like just release it. I I think that it's I don't know, Lou, when do they release it? Obviously, somebody knows a lot more than we know. And the president said, "Okay, full transparency, full disclosure." But then we got like crap that is being debunked online. One's like a flare gun. Like, come on. Just release it. When >> you um I'm gonna ask you a quick question this >> I need to sleep. Lou, [laughter] >> um how do you Let's say for example, and and I'm gonna I haven't done this before with anybody, so let me ask you this, and there's no right or wrong answer. Let me let me let me play uh host for just a minute here. Um

1:30:49 Miss Michaels, um you know what? You're right. Um the government's been lying for 80 years to the American people. Um and we want to come clean. And the fact is that we've know a lot more about these things. They can do things that we can't do. Um and might even have an agenda. And that agenda may or may not necessarily be our agenda. What questions would you start asking Okay. Um, well, how long has this been going on for? Because the fact that arguably this has been going on for thousands of years brings me a huge amount of comfort though because we've been living with it. We've been dealing with it. So, that would be my first question is how how much information do you have? I know you go back to 1945. You think we knocked it out of the air when we were testing the atom bomb, you know, but but there's religious texts that show arguably thousands of years. How long do we actually think? That would be question number. >> No, let me respond to you with my >> Okay. Yeah. >> Uh, we've known about it for the last 85 years and we've actually had some uh

1:31:51 near misses and potentially some deaths as a result of of these encounters. >> What would be your next point? >> People are worse than that though that I still would not some deaths is nothing, right? We get some deaths. There were three people that were stabbed outside of Whole Foods in Venice in a week. So, like I can handle some deaths. When I put that in perspective, it's not that bad. My next question would be, what do you think their agenda is? We have no idea, Miss Michaels, what their agenda is. Um, what we do know is that they have a capability that far exceeds ours. Uh, and again, I'm just pay I'm playing the the role here, right? So, uh, and, uh, there may have been some of our people injured, >> and we have no idea what they want. Um, but we do know that they're interested in our military equities and certainly interested in our nuclear capabilities. What would your next question be? >> Okay. Well, the the thought is they are so far advanced than us that there's nothing we could really do anyway.

1:32:52 They're they're leaps and bounds, thousands of years. Bingo is so far. >> You just said it. that is that there is no way any government who the people have have trusted with their faith and confidence to protect the member the primary directive of all governments is to protect and defend its people to say there's nothing we can do about it right that that would cause so much social angst not just even from a religious perspective but from a governmental perspective wait a minute you mean to tell me I'm supposed to have faith and confidence in you as a governmental institution I'm paying you tax money to protect me and to make decisions for on the betterment of my on the behalf of my own children and my grandchildren. What do you mean you don't know their intent? What do you mean there's nothing we can do? What do what do you mean I there's there's not a damn thing I can do about it? If I go outside and one of these things wants to pick me up, it can do that. You mean and and you're okay with that? Well, wait a minute. >> But Lou, there's a bad guy around the corner that can pick me up. This is this is what I would try to say is listen,

1:33:54 this has been going on for a very long time. You know, like there there's a homeless guy that hacked a guy's arm off in Los Angeles last week and no one can stop it. Nobody can stop humans from hurting other human. >> You're right. But we can at least haul them to court and we can at least try to get some sort of social justice to some degree. I don't disagree with you. I think I think human beings are are horribly violent to each other. I think we have our own problems. But when you're talking about something that is potentially decidedly not human at all and and we are having a conversation potentially requires governments, all governments to say there's nothing we can do. There's not a damn thing we can do about it. That carouses a tremendous amount of fear and anxiety within a population. And keep in mind the only reason why governments even work is because human beings us the citizens have placed faith and confidence in those institutions to make decisions on

1:34:55 our behalf. And what happens is when they start losing credibility because they're not telling the truth to the American people. They're not they're obfiscating that starts eroding that that faith and confidence. So now you've got two issues. Now you've got an issue where you have to go back to the American people and say, "You have to admit, look, we've been lying to you for the last 80 years. And oh, by the way, you can trust us now, you know, because we're trying to figure this out and and and we have your better interests at heart." Um, it would cause a tremendous tremendous amount of of social backlash. Now, there were some studies done in the past, you may be aware of this, um, by the government. If disclosure happened today, what would happen? And several think tanks like the Rand Corporation had a big study on this said you can't do this. You absolutely cannot do this because it will cause fear and panic amongst the society. People will you know make a run on wall wall street and try to take their money out and all that. Now of course it seems like nonsense now but that was a very real fear and in fact all the way till 2004

1:35:55 um there was at the White House there was a meeting for a week where some top individuals top scientists and speakers all got together on behalf of the White House in 2004 and the White House said if we came if we came honest tomorrow we we we we became honest and and truthful and we we decided to have disclosure is the time now for for us to be honest with the American people and talk about the fact that alien life may exist. All the scientists were giddy to have this conversation. After a week, it was unanimously decided. These are, by the way, from scientists who wanted to have disclosure all agreed that we're not ready for it, that it would it would cause too much social angst. And those individuals I can you can actually talk to, and it's better to have them tell you this because they were actually there for these meetings. This is well before my time. And like you, I was equally frustrated. I'm like, you mean to tell me you guys actually had a meeting about this over at the White House? It was sponsored by the White

1:36:56 House. And at the end of all this, you you said no. That's exactly what happened. Um they said that that the population wasn't ready for the truth. >> I think this is worse. >> So again, >> I think this is worse. >> We Here's why I think this is worse. It's it's the it's the devil. You don't know on top of all of this other cra dis disappearing scientists and creatures living at the bottom of the ocean. And I was I was going to ask you about these eggs with alien riding on it, but it's all the same. Literally, it's all the same. It's all insane. Oh, people are being abducted and devices are blowing out of their bra. I mean, it doesn't get worse than what we already know. And then it's kind of like what you don't grows into something I think that is more nefarious. And I just think people would feel more with the truth. I really do. I I just I

1:37:57 don't know that that is my take on it. >> I think the truth shall set you free. You know, I think the truth is I I think I think the American people can handle the truth. I think they deserve the truth. Um But it is not without consequence. You know, sometimes the truth and I said used this before about the truth. You know, every we all want the truth until sometimes we get the truth and it's not what we want, right? You go to the doctor. Hey doc, how you doing? You got my blood work back? Yeah. Um but you got stage four cancer. Oh crap. You know, maybe that's a truth I really didn't want at that moment. Or maybe I did because now I got a chance to fight it. Or hey man, what do you guys think of my of my new uh uh my new boyfriend or my new girlfriend? Right. They're wonderful. Uh, what do you guys think? Well, you want to know the truth? Well, yesterday we saw him at the bar, you know, kissing somebody else. Oh, you know, shoot, maybe I didn't want to hear that. So, you know, the truth, I agree with you. I think we should always always strive to tell the truth. I think the American people deserve it. And I think that the American government is

1:38:59 beholden to the will of the American people. I strongly believe that it is it is the government's job to serve the people, not the other way around. And this is why I'm doing what I'm doing because even if the the the truth is inconvenient or uncomfortable, I still think the American people deserve to have to know the truth. Um, and let them decide for themselves. I don't think anybody has a right to withhold the truth uh from the American people. And that's exactly what's happened for many many decades. And and this is why this this problem is so difficult right now to to handle because we spent decades telling the American people one thing only to come back and say, "Oh yeah, by the way, funny. Haha. We just joking. Just kidding. This is all real. And by the way, now you can trust us to, you know, tell you the truth moving forward. >> Okay. How does that work? >> Okay. Uh, first question before my last or sorry, two more questions. First one is, is there anything I should have asked you that I didn't? Anything I missed?

1:40:01 >> Let's see. I'm a Gemini. I like long walks on the beach. Pina coladas. Um, no. Um, no. Excellent. In fact, your your questions are are are are phenomenal. Um, I applaud you because obviously you did your research. Um, you know, you every one of your questions is extremely thoughtful and I think a lot of your audience is probably having the same same burning questions as you do. Um, it's going to take time. I've told people disclosure is a marathon. It's not a sprint. Um, we are people say, "Well, Lou, when are we going to have disclosure?" I think you're having it >> Um, it's just happening in a way, like you said, with the frog and the boiling water, right? Um, if you do it in a way, >> uh, where it's slow enough, then then then people's reactions can be, you know, more managed. Um, and, uh, >> Okay. Okay. >> You know, that's that's that's the problem we're in right now. you know, you've you've asked me fantastic questions and I and I think as this as we continue down this this this long path of of disclosure and truthfulness,

1:41:04 I think there's going to be a lot more questions and some of them are going to be a lot harder to answer to be honest with you. >> Okay. Um, this is a silly one, but I cannot help but feel like the world in the 201s is a very different world than what I'm living in in the 2020s. And we've had to contend with some of the craziest stuff, whether it's the Epstein scandal or shutting down the world over COVID or now this. Um, do you think this is silly and it's just for fun, have you ever heard of this Mandela effect that arguably we've been pulled into a parallel universe? Okay. My daughters often tell me that all the time when we when we look at something. She's like, "There's no way that happened then." I It happened just, you know, a year ago

1:42:04 or it happened 10 years ago and that time is always off for them and they they they swear by it. They're like, "Dad, you got to look into this Mandela effect thing." [laughter] Lou, okay. So the argument theoretically is that at CERN the large hadron collider like shifted the weight of a single particle or something to that effect and like we were all plunged into this parallel universe and that's why things that we remember very vividly are not the same or never existed. So I I just part of me is like did we just like maybe that's what happened. Maybe that is what happened and now we have alien abductions and you know demonic rich people that eat humans and maybe you know maybe that's what happened. So I just want to play a quick game with you before I let you go and see what you think about these things. Hold on a second. So, these are just a few a few

1:43:08 Mandela effects. So, they're questions and then if the team is able to, we'll pop up the graphics. So, do you remember Scooby-Doo? >> Okay. Do you remember Shaggy from >> Does he have an Adam's apple or not? I always thought he had an Adam's apple cuz he was kind of frumpy. >> He does not. >> He does not. I'll be darn. >> NOPE. NO ADAM'S APPLE. LOU, >> you're right. >> Where is his Adam's apple? I remember being creeped out by his Adam's apple. But that's okay. That's not a new version of the cartoon. He never had an Adam's apple. Next one. Mickey Mouse. See if you can envision him right now. >> Uh and his outfit. Does he or does he not have suspenders? >> No. I thought that was Minnie Mouse that had a little dress and I don't remember him having suspenders unless it was maybe back when he was doing Steamboat

1:44:09 Willie. I I don't remember him having suspenders, but >> I remember having suspenders. No, you're right. He has no suspenders. Okay. Okay. Here we go. Do you remember the performer Sinbad? >> Of course. >> Okay. Did he or did he not play a genie in a movie? >> No, I thought he was a comedian and then he had a TV show. U but I don't remember him playing a a genie, but I could be wrong. >> No genie in a movie called Shazam. >> You're correct. Never played a genie. And yet I remember Shazam and so does my wife. But you don't. I remember very clearly he played. >> But I'm also mentally limited. I I'm not as I'm not as smart as you. >> No, you're correct. You're right. >> I'm not as smart as you guys. >> Okay. No, you're Lou. You're right.

1:45:10 Okay. So, ready? Here's another one. The famous peanut butter brand. Is it GIF or is it Jiffy? >> People called it Jiffy, but I think it's >> God darn it. You're right. [laughter] his chair. >> this is annoying. I You're part of it. Okay, hold on. Okay, the kids book with the bears. Is it the Baronstein bears or the Baron Stain Bears? >> I thought it was Baron Stain Bears, but I could be wrong. I thought it was Baron >> What universe are you from? You're from that other universe because it was the Baronstein Bears, but you're right. It is the Baron Stain with an A Bears. It's the Baron Stain Bears. Nobody called it the Baron Stain. Okay, hold on a second. Okay. Do you remember Curious George the >> Oh, of course. Are you kidding me? Yeah. >> Does he or does he not have a tail?

1:46:12 >> Um, no, he doesn't. He walks like a human and his own his buddy was this big guy with a big yellow hat, but he had no Lou, you're not from this universe because he doesn't have a tail, but everyone [laughter] remembers him with a tail. He does not actually have a tail. You're correct. Never had a tail. All right, just a few more. Just a few more. If you get this one, I'm going to be so pissed. Okay. The Monopoly board game guy. Does he or does he not have a little eye monle thing? Well, what I want to say is that he does, but I'm looking back when I used to play the game as a kid. I don't remember him having it, but it seemed like on the cover of the game, he had a monle, but but come to think of it, when I would look at the cards, I don't remember him actually having a

1:47:12 I I don't think he had a monle. >> All right, you're correct. But I remember so clearly that he had a monle. You don't Okay, you're correct. He never ever had a monle. And yet I for sure >> Well, I was wrong on Shaggy because I would I'd be willing to bet a paycheck, which isn't very much. Uh that that Shaggy had an Adams apple, [laughter] you know. >> All right. I'm gonna let you pick the next one. Do you want to do Silence of the Lambs or do you want to do I Love >> Oh my goodness. Let's do them both. Did Hannibal Lectar say good morning to Clarice or did he say hello Clarice? >> Wow. Uh I always thought

1:48:13 I thought he said hello, but I could be wrong. I thought he said >> It was good morning. >> Just good morning. >> Just good morning. There's no hello. Claries didn't exist. Never said it. >> All right. Now then, did Ricky say to explain that." Or did he say, "Lucy, you have some explaining to do?" >> Oh my goodness. I have no idea. I don't remember which which uh I think you have some explaining to do, but I haven't seen that show in so long. That's just a 50/50 shot. I think you have some explaining to Lucy Splain, Lucy, you have some explaining to do. He never said just Lucy explain explain that. never said, "Lucy, you have some

1:49:14 explaining to do." >> You know, there's one too. >> I got one for you. Kasablanca >> where he said against him. He never said >> That's right. He never said it. He never said played against him. Never said it. That's right. That's right. >> Darth Vader never said, "Luke, I'm your >> That's right. >> Oh, no. This can't be possible. And like and this whole thing started because a lot of people thought that Nelson Mandela died in prison in the 80s only to find out that he >> became president. That's right. And >> died in 2013. >> Yep. Yeah. I now I don't remember that, but I didn't I don't remember reading his biography until around 2010. 20 right around 2010. So I could have been behind the eightball on that one. Having said okay, I got I got two more good ones and then I promise Well, there's there's hundreds of them actually and then I'll let you go. Okay. Fruit of the loom, the underwear brand. >> How do you see the fruit on the label in

1:50:15 your head? Describe it to me. >> I see the apple. I see the grapes. Uh men men, grown men dressed in fruit outfits. Uh and um you know, kind of that's that's what I remember. I remember them literally wearing cheesy fruit outfits. >> Do you remember if the fruit was in like a little cornucopia, like a little >> Uh, on the live action, I don't remember them being in a cornucopia at all. I remember them just kind of dancing around silly on on in front of my my TV set and in a little >> Not the commercial though. Just the label on the back of the underwear. Just the label. I do not remember a >> You're right. There is no cornucopia. I very clearly remember that freaking basket and it never not a thing. Didn't exist. Didn't exist. Okay, one more. One more. Cuz like there's

1:51:16 like I said, there's hundreds of these. What color is C3PO? >> Oh my gosh. It depends what scene. Sometimes he's gold, sometimes he's more of a silver. Um, yeah, he was uh he he he depending on the light, if he was out in the desert, it looked a little bit shinier. Uh, usually he appeared either as gold or silver. >> Uhhuh. One color, >> Uh, well, so C3PO um, primarily gold is how I remember him, but there were there were shots when he's out in the desert where he appeared more silver. Maybe it was a different outfit that they they were stuck with, but I don't remember him other than those colors as a either gold or a certainly metallic and it was gold most of the time, but in a couple scenes it appeared more silver depending on the light. >> So, you're suggesting a discrepancy over the tone of the metallic possibly. >> Yes. And the fact that possibly different suits were used and during

1:52:18 thing, no one no one paid attention. You know, there's a lot of times you look at movies now, you're like, "Oh, hey, that's an editor's problem right there. They they didn't do that right." You know, but it slipped through. >> Okay. What if I told you that he is gold with one silver leg? >> Would you believe me? >> I don't remember with one silver leg ever. I don't remember that. I >> was always >> at C3PO. >> Wow. Maybe there's a there's a wormhole >> I got you on the last one. [laughter] >> Sucked me in. >> Yeah, for sure. I also blame though my my mental state. I'm an old guy. You know, my uh and and by the way, I am a man, so my wife always tells me we're limited. She's absolutely correct. Um so, you know, me my mental acuity is certainly not um not on par with uh with with yours. >> Well, do me a favor. when we're, you

1:53:19 know, when we're done, run in there, just ask her what color C3PO was and text it to me because I don't know anybody that remembers him having a silver leg. >> I'm going to have her watch this episode >> person. I >> I'm going to have her watch [laughter] this episode because all 10 of those were fantastic. I'm like, man, that's a really good question. I want to know how many she's going to get. That's what we'll do. We'll sit down and we'll actually watch this episode. This is Be sure to like, share, comment, and subscribe, Lou, please, because it helps a ton with the algorithm. Um, >> Honestly, all jokes aside, you you I I cannot thank you enough for your time. >> You know how how much I appreciate you. I have got to get over there uh to come see you, but I you need to be in town and you need to be okay. Uh please, dude, I I say this with all sincerity. Be be careful. >> Yeah, I I appreciate that. And and I'll also let me just a moment here to thank you for what you're doing. You know, a lot of this I know is it's relaxed and and and we have fun. Um but I also know

1:54:21 it's a very serious topic and and I want to appreciate I I want to say thank you and I appreciate you you giving some voice to this this topic. Um you know, you're right. It was uh just uh eight years ago, nine years ago, uh it would be a career ender for any of us to have this conversation. Um and because of people like you, finally people are are are are finding out the truth. Um our government's taking it seriously. Our executive branch and our legislative branch or members of Congress and the president and the secretary of war or defense, however you want to call it, and other countries, you know, Japan uh is is now um actively reaching out to share UAP information with with the American government. I mean there's there's huge steps being taken and because people like you can have a rational conversation about this and and you know ask the questions that everybody wants to wants answers to. I think you're making a heck of a difference. Um this is disclosure. Don't don't look now, but this is it. You're you're part of that and one day history

1:55:22 will look back and I think >> I think we'll um we'll we'll judge you very fondly for it. >> Yeah. Well, I'm not the one who put my life on the line whistleblowing on the Pentagon. Uh, so I can't thank you enough for that and for always answering my questions and for taking the time to deal with all this crazy stuff that I send you in our little signal chat. I'm like, Lou, [laughter] what is this? Talking me off of a million different ledges as well as the audience. Um, you're magnificent and if there's ever anything I can do to try to be helpful, please you are and you also have a fantastic audience. Look, you know, I I being someone in an audience, um, sometimes we don't really understand or appreciate just how much value the audience really really means to this conversation. And if anybody in your audience right now is have live listening to the end of this conversation, know that they are very much part of this conversation as anybody else. Um this is uh we are only

1:56:25 succeeding together because enough people are paying attention and want to learn more and want our government to take action. That's not because of Lu Alzando. that that's because of of everyday people out there making calls to the to the member of Congress, writing letters, sitting around the dinner table, sitting around the water cooler at work and just saying, "Hey, you know, what do you guys think about this?" Um, Spielberg's coming out with a new movie obviously because there's an appetite for this this conversation. So, it's it's happening and it's happening in large part because because of people like your audience. So, you know, huge heartfelt thank you to to all of them as well to especially for their patience to hear me drone on and on and on and on. >> oh, please, and by the way, everyone get the book. It's called Imminent. And hopefully there is another one on the way that I know you're working on. There's a lot more that you can learn in it. Um, Lou, thank you again, man. I I will continue to bother you and I'll reach out to you about your Pilates protocol shortly. >> Please do. Absolutely. Like I said, my

1:57:27 my daughters are kicking my butt. And uh I had a bunch of old special operators in there and like I said, I'm not kidding. A bunch of 18-year-old girls completely destroyed us. Um so yeah, talk about having to put [laughter] your uh ego, you know, stuff it away for a little while. That was a very humbling >> All right, boss. Thank you so much. You're fantastic. I'm gonna anything anything I should put in the show notes or anything like that, let me know. And I >> No, you got it. >> Send me something to see you this >> Absolutely. And you can ask me any question you ever want. There's no elf limits. And while I'm in DC, if anything you need me to do while I'm in DC, just give me a shout. >> Happy to do it. Um, you know, maybe next time you're in DC, let me know. >> I need you to live, bud. >> I'm stay alive. >> I'm I'm going to do my best with that. >> thank you so much for watching. If you enjoyed the podcast, please like, comment, subscribe, and share.