National Press Club - November 12th, 2007. UFO Close Encounters

0:53 ladies and gentlemen I'm uh filmmaker James Fox executive producer of out of the blue I'd like to welcome everyone here to today's unprecedented event as we take pause in honoring our country's servicemen on Veterans Day I would like to take this opportunity to thank all the distinguished panelists for traveling here from so far Iran Peru Chile and the UK I also want to thank journalist Kaine the Coalition for Freedom of Information without her this event could not have happened her tireless efforts for the last three months were invaluable our p are about to share with you extraordinary experiences they've had while conducting their duties as high ranking government Aviation and officials I'm now honored to present our moderator former Air Force captain and two-term Arizona governor F Simington I'd like to welcome you all

1:54 here today and I'd like to go over just uh the program with you so that you understand how it will unfold um but first I'd like to thank James Fox for his unbelievable uh investigative work and research over the past 12 years on this subject uh he has really uh provided I think a great Public Service uh in an arena which uh is met with a great deal of skepticism uh and um and and I just admire his courage and I've also very much enjoyed his production out of the blue I think he's done a great job with that but most importantly today is that he and Leslie Kane are responsible for pulling together this unique panel I don't think there's ever been a more uh high level or distinguished group uh authoritative group that um has dealt with this matter uh in in one conference and I'm very excited to be a small part of it I would also like to thank uh Leslie Kaine again I'd like to reiterate the fact that as you know she's an

2:55 investigative journalist and director of the Coalition for freedom of information and uh she has um done a fabulous job in this Arena and also uh absorbed a lot of the slings and arrows that are out there in the public Arena regarding this subject um but she's done it with great uh fortitude uh and in I think very good taste uh I will have uh uh I will make my formal remarks after all the other gentlemen at the uh at the table here to my left and right have made their statements um and but I would like to just quickly discuss the media format uh each of us is going to make a statement it'll come up to the podium give a two to three minute statement uh and then uh sit down uh we're going to roll through that part of the program so that everybody here can hear uh all of their testimony uh after that um we I'll stand back up here at the podium and we will open this up for a Q&A for credential

3:55 members of the press if members of the press when you stand up and ask a question if you would state your name in your affiliation that would be uh very much appreciated um and uh in my role as the moderator uh I guess I also Reserve uh the right to uh curtail uh a dialogue that may go on too long or something for the sake of time we we want to make sure we we get to everybody and that all serious questions are are answered uh I would also like to note that there's a document here uh in front of you to your if you're in the audience to your left which has been signed um by uh all of us uh um which is a request for the United States government to reopen and effect the investigation into the UFO phenomena which was terminated back in I believe 1969 Project Blue Book and it's a very interesting document and you should read it without further Ado we'll uh charge ahead with our first speaker and um we're on our way thank

4:58 you ladies and gentlemen good morning my name is Wilfred de Brower I'm a retired Major General of the Belgian Air Force and I was chief operations in the air staff at the time that an exceptional UFO wave took place over Belgium indeed uh during the evening of 29 November 1989 in a small area in eastern Belgium approximately 140 UFOs sightings were reported hundreds of people saw a majestic triangle craft with a span of approximately 120 ft powerful beaming spotlights moving very slowly without making any significant noise but in several cases accelerating to very high speeds the following days and months many more sightings would

5:58 follow the UFO wave would last more than a year during which a Belgian UFO organization conducted more than investigations and recorded more than $400 of audio witness reports on one occasion a photograph revealed the Triangular shape and four light beams of the object I have the photograph here if you want to see more details later on but at the left at your left you see the original photograph at the right you can see an over exposed photograph with which reveals the shape of the craft Belgium had no official focal point for reporting UFO sightings uh nevertheless in my function of chief operations I was confronted with numerous questions about the origin and nature of these Scouts

7:00 in first instance and in consultation with other NATO Partners I could confirm that no flights of stealth aircraft or any other experimental aircraft took place in the airspace of Belgium in addition the civil aviation authorities confirmed that no flight plans had been introduced this implied that the reported objects or crafts committed an infraction against the existing Aviation rules the Belgian Air Force tried to identify the alleged Intruders and on three occasions launched F-16 aircraft on one occasion to F16 registered rapid changes in speed and altitude which were well outside of the performance envelope of existing aircraft nevertheless the pilots could not establish visual context and the investigation revealed that specific

8:03 weather conditions may have caused electromagnetic interferences and false Returns the technical evidence was insufficient to conclude that abnormal air activities took place during that evening in short the Belgian UFO wave was exceptional and the Air Force could not identify the nature origin and intentions of the reported phenomena thank you very much bour ladies and gentlemen I am Dr clae poer retired astrophysicist and space research engineer from the national Center for space studies which is the French equivalent of NASA I was the founder of the Japan the

9:05 group for the study of unidentified Aerospace phenomena which was an official agency devoted to the scientific study of UFO observation reports and which remains active today 30 years after under the name of Jan I first learned about the existence of official US UFO reports here in Washington early in the 60s from Dr Alan HCK the well-known astronomic Ro consultant of the US Air Force Project Blue Book I then began to investigate official UFO reports and undertake a scientific analysis of the data in France I received approval for KES from KES to create and direct the Japan about 15 years later in

10:07 1977 I train our first investigators teaching them how to conduct official investigations into the different kinds of uh reports from lights in the sky to Landing with physical evidence and observation of we had an independent scientific steering committee this committee recommended that we continue to pursue this work during the two years of my direction for example I train our investigators and my successors on the case of kusak where in August 1967 two young Witnesses were alerted by the agitation of of dozens of frightened farm animals at around noon the witnesses then observed a

11:07 landed spherical 3 m diameter UFO at a distance of 80 yards with four occupants near it very high Luminosity was reported after slow takeoff leaving physiological effects on the witnesses highs that were conf film by The Village mayor the his noise described by the two witnesses was also hurt by the Hunty guard of the village the UFO acceleration after vertical takeoff was estimate estimated to be about 100 G's by Japan experts the occupants were seen floating in the air while entering the craft from its top at first in a aray like this see physical traces on the ground from

12:08 the craft were confirmed by the local police as well as a sulfur oxide order KES experts in meteorology in space debris worked in the field with the witnesses along with a judge a psychologist an optical engineer and artical engineer they had full measuring equipment and work with the police as well the official conclusion of Japan in 1979 was that about 15% of the cases remained unidentified after careful analysis by our experts we concluded that the object in most of these cases were compatible with flying machines whose flight physics were foreign to the expert

13:09 knowledge what I've tested previously is about the past now there are some recent experimental facts in direct relation with my Japan and UFO investigation involvement that I believe personally that are of great importance for our future and for the way you should hand now the UFO observation in the USA after I left Japan but remaining KES I contined to work in the UFO subject but in the domain of theoretical physics last April 30 years after the physical theory about gravitation and inertia I was working on since 1980 was successfully tested in the effectively I patented and tested in my

14:11 laboratory devices able to create a strong artificial gravitation field that seems to be the cause of most of the strange effects that are described in UFO observation reports I'm talking about such effects as tremendous accelerations sharp turns sudden stops powerful emission of light silent supersonic speed stopping of car paralyzes of witnesses desiccation of vegetation Etc personally I think that this discovery puts an end to many of the scientific enigmas about UFOs these experimental results are currently open to be demonstrated in my laboratory in tulus for qualified scientists scientific journalist and Industrial Representatives including those from the

15:14 USA evidently I am concentrating now on the very numerous possibilities of new applications mainly in the domain of propulsion of energy ation and in the domain of elth thank you for your attention ladies and gentlemen good morning my name is Je dubuk I am a retired Air Force captain during Air France flight 3532 from n to London on 28th January 1994 I observed with my crew a UFO in broad daylight near Paris we had few passengers on board and none of them had reported that

16:14 observation to the crew the time was 1 p.m. and the visibility was excellent with some Alto clouds that object had been identified initially by a Stewart who was in the cockpit and by the co-pilot as a weather balloon but when I identified it it looked quite different in fact this u4 was in evolution and it looked like this with a bank angle of 45° it seemed to be a huge flying disc it stabilized and stop moving we observe it over one minute on the left of our plane surprisingly totally stationary in the sky and it

17:15 progressively this large object was below us at the altitude of 35,000 ft we were at 39,000 ft at a distance of about 25 noal miles the color was red brown with blurred outlines the apparent diameter of this object could be compared to the diameter of the moon or the Sun that means that it was about 1,000 ft wide we had no idea of the structure of the UFO that seem to be embedded in a kind of magnetic or gravitational field with no lights or visual metallic structure which gave it a really fizy appearance the most incredible aspect is that it became transparent and

18:15 disappeared in about 10 to 20 seconds my co-pilot jef stard and I quickly realized that what we were seeing didn't resemble anything known to us and we reported our sighting to R simultaneously the radar of the operational center of the air defense the Koda registered a one minute spot crossing the track of our plane when I recorded the estimated position of the UFO on an aeronautical map I was surprised to realize that its position position Wars the B of tavani which HS the headquarters of a French Strategic Air Command this sighting has been studied by the French

19:16 military coma group under the direction of general donti and with the participation of several ioning officers of the French defense as well as by japon Under the French national Space KES the investigations determined this could not have been a weather balloon and estimated the approximated length of the UFO to have been 800 ft this sighting remains unexplained good morning ladies and gentlemen my name is Je CLA and I am an astronomer working for the French Cent National scientific from 1963 to 1998 I contributed to the French coma report a threeyear military study on

20:18 UFOs and National Security released in 1999 and more recently to the book phenomen zoso nonen under the direction of EC chairman of the steering committee of Jaan he asked me to represent him and Jaan here today General D Leti chairman of the coma group also asked me to represent him here because he was unable attend the Comm report was written mainly by ironing military people from the French High Studies Institute for National Defense it analyzes the possible explanations for UFOs and their implications in term of Defense with the hypothesis presented as the most logical one even if not formally proven some recommendations are made including that all managers of the army

21:19 police politics and Pilots be informed UFOs that detection systems be modified to take UFOs into account and that the French government contact the United States and other Allied countries to initiate Cooperative action on the subject so far these recommendations have not been implemented however last March my country took a big step forward Jack patne current director of Japan released the French UFO files to the public they were posted on a website more more than 600,000 sightings spanning five decades some cases involve multiple sightings and physical evidence such as burn marks and radar

22:28 un explained phenomena nor do we have any proof at all that they are not jine steering committee plays an important role with representatives from the Army police civil aviations meteorology and the scientific Community this committee ensures the best conditions for gaing reports by instructing the agencies involved in investigations and protecting any Witnesses who request an it for fear of ridicule my personal opinion is that UFOs should be taken seriously and stde prejudice there may be several possible explanations such as rare atmospheric phenomena but some cases strongly suggest actual flying machines with characteristics well beyond our capacities if these cases could be completely proven as search then the

23:29 Extraterrestrial hypothesis would probably be the most likely explanation for these Advanced craft admittedly it's a fantastic possibility but not an irrational one given the data we have good morning ladies and gentlemen my name is Paris Jafari and I a retired general of Iranian Air Force at about 11: p.m. on the evening of 18th September 1976 citizen were frightened by circling of an unknown object over tan the capital city of Iran

24:32 at a low altitude it looked similar to a star but bigger and brighter they reported it to the Tower and was seen by towerman too he alerted the Air Force command post and Deputy General usfi decided to scramble an f4j to investigate the pilot in the first jet last instrumentation and communication when he got too close to the brilliant object so he headed back about 10 minutes later they scrambled a second jet which I was piloting at the time I was a squadron commander I approached the object object which was flashing with intense red green orange and

25:35 blue the light was so bright that I was not able to see its body the sequence of flashes was extremely fast like a strob light we locked on it with radar at it was at 38° left at range of 25 miles the size on the radar scope was comparable to that is 707 tanker four other object with different shapes separated from the main one at different times during the this encounter whenever they were close to me my weapon were jammed and my radio communications were sted one of the object headed toward me I thought it was a

26:36 missile I tried to launch a heatseeker missile to it but my missile panel went out another followed me when I was descending on the way back one of the separated object landed in an open area radiating a high bright light in which the sands on theground visible we could hear emergency squash at all the way which was reported by other airliners flying at the time and continued for another couple of days during my interview at headquarter after the incident the American lieutenant Al took notes but after it was over I could not find him to talk with later at once later once classified

27:40 document was released here in America through the Freedom of Information Act the defense intelligence agency documented the event in a great detail and it was sent to NSA the white White House and the CIA the DIA assessment said this case is a classic that meets all necessary conditions for a legimate study of the phenomena then I would be happy to answer question and tell you more thank

28:41 good morning ladies and gentlemen I am Rodrigo bra captain andot of the Chilean since the beginning of Chilean history there has been reports of unidentified phenomena sometimes called UFOs observed in our over the years we have increased our capacity to explain many The Sting but some continue to remain without scientific or logical

30:04 for that reason in October 1997 the Department of Civil Aeronautics the chilling equivalent of the American FAA FAA set up the committee for the study of anomalous aerial phenomena known as the seha this agency handles the best reports of unidentified aerial phenomena in cooperation with aeronautic in 2000 the aviation branch of the army of Chile assign me to research anomalous aerial phenomena which they knew were real and their effect on Aerospace security I then graduated to become a military pilot and learned that the aviation Army had files many reports of

31:04 UFO incidents from military a link was then established between our army office and the seha as a result nine official cases have been documented this has helped to create awareness among the fly Crews about UFOs and they now cooperate with fight security to report any abnormal

32:31 one of our most important civil aviation cases occur in 1988 showing that identified flying objects can be a danger for air operations a Bo 737 pilot on a Final Approach To The Runway at the tal airport in Puerto Monon City suddenly encountered a large white light surrounded by green and red the light was moving in the opposite direction of the airplane coming straight at it the pilot had to make a steep turn to the left in order to avoid a collision the phenomenon was observed by the controlled Tower and radar in 2000 the crew of a Chilean plane from

33:31 the aviation branch of the army flying south of Santiago observed a long cigar shaped object a brilliant grade he flew parallel to the right side of the aircraft for 2 minutes and then disappear at very high speed this object was detected by the radar of the control center of Santiago which notify the crew minutes before the sadly the UFO subject has been contaminated with false information out of touch with reality provided by unqualified people to the media this has moved the issue away from a scientific and a specialized study where it belongs is

34:52 in light of that problem we now make the call to all the countries that are presently working on this issue in a serious and factual way to unite their efforts we would like this to include the United States of America this Cooperative effort will help us help all of us counteract the potentially unsafe effects of the UFOs on air operations around the world new cases are being documented by pilots traffic controllers operations staff at the world's airports and by many others with a proper training to determine if a flying object is something

36:01 the true origin of the UFOs is unknown yet they do affect affect Aviation all around the planet and this must be addressed thank you very good morning ladies and gentlemen I'm Oscar Santa Maria wer official pilot of the Peruvian Air Force currently arip on April 11 1980 at 7:15 in the

37:01 morning 1,00 men were inform formation at air base of they all observed a stationary object in the sky in the sky which looked like a balloon at about 3 miles distance and approximately 18800 ft altitude it was luminous because it reflected the sun my unit Commander ordered me to take off in my suco 22 jet to shoot down the spherical object it was in restricted airspace without clearance and we were concerned about

38:25 Espionage I approached the object and stra 64 30 mm shells at it some projectiles went towards the ground and others hit the object fully but they had not effect at all the projectiles didn't bounce off probably they were absorbed the cone shaped wall of fire that I sent out will normally obliterate anything in the O then began to ascend and move farther away from the base when I was about 30,000 ft he made a sudden stop forcing me to beer to the side since I was only 1500 feet away I flew up higher

39:27 to attack it from above but just as I had locked on the Target and was ready to shoot the object made a straight vertical climb evading the attack two more times I had the On Target when the object was stationary each time it moved away at the very last minute when I was about to fire always eluding my attack I decided to clim at full thrust to get above the object but it began to ascend almost parallel to my plane and when I reached 63,000 ft it

40:50 at this point I came to within about 300 ft of the UFO it was about 30 ft in it was enameled cream color Dome with a wide circular metallic base it had no engines no exhaust no windows no wings or antenna it lacked all the typical aircraft components with no visible it was at that moment that I realized this is not this is was not a spying device but that it was a UFO something totally unknown I was almost out of fuel so I couldn't attack or maneuver my plane or make a high speed Escape I was afraid I thought I might be

42:13 when I had calm down I radio for another plane to come and I have a look trying to hide my fear they say no it's too high just come back I had to Glide part way down due to lack of fuel zigzagging to make my plan harded to hit always with my eyes on the rear view mirrors hoping it wouldn't chase me it didn't I had spent 22 minutes maneuvering with this object after I landed the object remained stationary in the sky for two hours for everyone at the BS at the base to see a US Department of Defense document titled UFO cited in Peru described the

43:15 incident stating that the vehicle's origin remains unknown it still giv me Shields to think about it good morning ladies and gentlemen I am Dr Anthony Choy founding member of the office of Investigation of anomalous area phenomena aifa and an investigator for this office this agency was established by the Peruvian Air Force in

44:30 I'm the author of project 33 the first integral study of the UFO phenomenon Pro I travel all over my country for about nine years speaking with Witnesses obtaining audiovisual information such as photograph and videos and colle collecting data for this on October 13 2001 in the northern city of Chulas and before hundreds of people eight spheres of light of an intense red orange color were recorded on video we were the first ones to obtain this video and we gave it to the Air Force these

45:31 objects were suspended in the air for over five hours moving in an apparently intelligent Manner and in absolute silence until they a few days latest on October 25th the Luminous tier shaped object of some approximate 80 ft was recorded over the countryside near the city within a few minutes the apparent Landing of light spheres in the wood was also recorded in February 2002 the Air Force OA order me to investigate the

46:49 sightings taking responsibility for the so-called chulucanas incident in February 2003 Peru Ian Air Force Colonel Jose rafu moches director of aerial and space concerns made an open statements to the media acknowledging that the Chul incident was the first official UFO investigation in Peru the preliminary conclusion was that the sightings although being physically real had no explanation that case remained open and the investigation uh continues in theend done by

47:51 me the clim occur on August 6 of 20 2004 for when in collaboration with the American television channel of Univision we were able to record for 55 minutes A Distant object of unknown nature and origin moving at Great velocity in the sky going up and down and right and I believe the Air Force in Peru has done the right thing by opening an off an office to conduct these investigations the evidence we have from actual UFO cases and incidents that have taken place in our country show that the ufone phenomena remains one of the greatest challenge to our current knowledge of Science and Technology thank you very

49:04 good morning everybody uh thank you for coming this morning uh my name is Ray Boya and I fly a civilian airliner as Captain I've been invited here due to my sighting last April of multiple as as yet unidentified objects over the Channel Islands region of the English Channel uh this encounter lasted for 15 minutes and the first object being visible from 55 miles distance on nearing the object a second identical shape appeared beyond the first both objects were of a flattened disc shape with a dark area to the right they were brilliant yellow with light emanating from within and I estimated them to be up to possibly a mile across I found myself astounded but curious but at 12 miles distance these objects were becoming uncomfortably Lar large and I was glad to descend and land aircraft many of my passengers saw the objects as did the pilot of another aircraft 25 miles further

50:05 south there is also possible radar information still being investigated a team headed by Dr David Clark looking at this case will shortly be be published uh a report well sorry we shortly publish a report but understand that this time no definitive solution has been discovered to explain the sighting as yet I've taken note of some of the differences between the uh British and the US Reporting System it appears that attitudes on opposite sides of the Atlantic are very different when it comes to the required reporting and recording of this type of event air law stipulates quite clearly that if if an operating crew of an aircraft see another aircraft in a place that it shouldn't be then at the earliest opportunity the whole scenario is to be reported to the relevant in my case the British civil AV civil aviation Authority knew within 20 minutes of the sighting What was seen as described in the flight log and facts directly to the relevant CIA office the

51:07 military were informed by Jersey Air Traffic Control at the same time this is not an option this is an obligation that Crews react in this manner in my experience having reported the incident as required has had no negative effect and there was no problem with me talking about this on British television indeed my company orini Air Services uh have offered every support to date the assistance of Jersey Air Traffic Control in releasing recorded information to myself and the investigated investigating team has been of great benefit I did not feel that I was in any danger of being ridiculed because all I did was report what actually happened as was my duty as operating Air crew I heard about the multiple witness sightings at Chicago o O'Hare Airport about a year ago on November the 7th uh 2006 I was surprised to hear how it was handled despite many pilots and Airport Personnel witnessing the object hovering over the terminal there was no

52:08 investigation At All by the by the FAA it appears that pressure may have been applied to crew members by their company not to discuss this in incident I would have been shot if I was told that the CIA in UK would obstruct an investigation or if the CIA told me that what I had seen was something entirely different but it seems that pilots in America are used to this sort of thing here I would urge all fellow air crew to report whatever they see as soon as possible and to stand up and be counted it's only when crucial and critical Witnesses such as air crew make reports that the authorities will be kickstarted into a broader investigation of this phenomena thank you very my name is Nick Pope uh formerly with the British Ministry of Defense since 1950 the British government has received over 10,000 UFO reports now

53:10 responsibility for this subject rests with the ministry of Defense whose remit is to look for evidence of any potential threat to the United Kingdom or anything else of any defense significance from 1991 through to 1994 I was the desk officer responsible for these investigations most UFO sightings turned out to be misidentifications of things such as aircraft uh satellites and meteors but in around 5% of cases no explanation could be found and these cases included incidents where reliable Witnesses such as police officers and Pilots reported structured craft performing speeds and Maneuvers significantly in excess of anything that they'd seen military jet aircraft perform other cases including in in this category involved UFOs tracked on radar and incidents where photos or videos uh were produced and where the mod's technical experts found no evidence of

54:10 faking the mod actually takes no position on the nature of the UFO phenomenon but I and some of my colleagues became privately convinced that whatever was was going on there were serious defense National security and flight safety issues involved in March 1993 I investigated a case where a UFO was seen by about 60 Witnesses including military personnel at two Air Force bases Witnesses included a patrol of Air Force Police and a meteorological officer with 8 years experience now this latter witness uh described a triangular-shaped craft moving um in a an ertic way it was midway in size between a C130 Transport Aircraft and a 747 he said it was emitting a low frequency humming sound and he said it moved slowly at first before accelerating away uh to the Horizon many

55:11 times faster than a military jet my head of division's brief to the assistant chief of the air staff concluded quote in summary there would seem to be some evidence on this occasion that an unidentified object object or objects of Unknown Origin was operating over the UK unquote the case File published on the mod's website also mentions related inquiries from the US authorities asking if the UK had a black program that might explain some UFO sightings involving large triangular-shaped craft now that's interesting given the US government's public position that UFOs are no longer investigated Britain's best known UFO citing occurred in 1980 and involved United States Air Force personnel from two military bases in the UK uh they were multiple Witnesses and an object was seen to land in a place called rendlesham Forest a GE counter was used to take radiation readings at

56:11 the Landing site and the assessment undertaken by the mod's defense intelligence staff stated that the levels recorded seemed quote significantly higher than the average background unquote we're fortunate to have two of the witnesses to these events here today and I'd like to hand over to one of them now so he can uh give you some specifics you I'm not sure if it's good morning or good or good afternoon here it's 12:00 uh my name is James peniston uh United States Air Force retired in 1980 I was assigned to the largest tactical Fighter Wing In The Air Force at the time it was I was stationed at Raf wood Woodbridge England uh I was a senior security

57:12 officer in charge of that Bas security at that time I held a top secret us and natal security clearance and was responsible for the protection of the war making re resources for that base shortly after midnight on the 26th of December 1980 staff's Harden stepin briefed me that some lights were seen in reynoldson Forest just outside the back gate he informed me that whatever he seen didn't crash he told me it landed I discounted that and Report reported to the control center at the base that we had a possible down aircraft I then ordered Airman cabanac A1c burls to respond with me off site when we arrived to the suspected crash site it Qui quickly became

58:12 apparent that we were not dealing with a plane crash or for that matter anything else we've ever responded to there was a bright light emanating from an object on the forest floor as we approached it on foot a silhouette triangle craft about 9 ft long 6 and 1/2 ft High came into view the craft was fully intact and sitting in a small clearing just inside the woods as the three of us got closer to the craft we started experiencing radial difficulties I then asked Airman candac to relay the radial Transmissions back to our control system Center act as a relay burs and I proceeded towards the craft when we came up on the triangular- shaped craft there were blue and yellow light swirling around the exterior as though there were part of

59:12 surface the air around us was electrically charged and we could uh feel it on our clothes our skin and our hair nothing nothing in my training prepared me for what I was witnessing after 10 minutes without any aggression I determined the craft was non hostile to my team and to the base following the security protocols we completed a thorough on-site investigation this included a full physical examination of The Craft which included photographs and my uh notebook entries that I had at time and relays with the radio through Airman cabanac to our control center those were required on one side of the craft there

1:00:14 symbols that measured 3 in high and they're approximately about 2 and 1/2 ft long these symbols were pictorial and Design the largest symbol was a triangle and was centered in the middle of the others these symbols were etched in the surface of the CRA craft which was warm to the touch even though it looked like black onx it felt like metal the feeling I had during the encounter was like no type of aircraft that I've ever seen before it was on in the James book of know aircraft or anything I've seen since after roughly about 40 45 minutes the light from the craft began intensify burs and I then took a defensive position away from the craft as it lifted off the ground without any noise or air disturbance it maneuvered through the trees and shot off at an

1:01:15 unbelievable rate of speed it was gone in a blink of an eye in my law book that I have right impossible that night over 80 Air Force personnel all trained observers assigned to the 84st Security Police Squadron witnessed the takeoff the information acquired during that investigation was reported through my military channels the team and Witnesses were told to to treat the investigation as secret and no further discussion would allowed the photographs that we retrieved from the base lab two rolls of mm of course were apparently Overexposed thank

1:02:27 good morning ladies and gentlemen my name is Charles I halt in 1991 I retired from the US Air Force as a colonel I was base commander of two large excuse two large military installations and at my time of my retirement was director of inspections director for the dod Inspector General in that capacity I had inspection oversight of all military services and defense agencies in 1980 I was a deput base commander RAF bentwaters the largest twin base complex in East Anglia at the time this was the largest tactical Fighter Wing In The Air Force in late December 1980 I was called upon to investigate a very strange event an event that was distracting our security police from their primary duties early on the morning of the 26th 1980 our police patrolman discovered strange lights in the forest east of the backgated RAF Woodbridge three patrolman were dispatched to

1:03:28 investigate they reported a strange craft triangular in shape sitting on three legs the craft was approximately 3 MERS on a side it had multiple lights it rapidly maneuvered and quickly disappeared I was not immediately aware of all the details only being told of strange lights and I assumed there was a reasonable explanation for this two nights later at the family Christmas christas party I was interrupted by the on duty police Commander he told of strange events and said it was back since my boss had to present Awards I was tasked to go out and investigate I fully expected to find an expanation I took two senior patrolmen with me a disaster preparedness expert and the reporting on duty police officer at the site we find three 1 and 1/2 in indentations triangular pattern now today I have a plaster cast

1:04:28 of one of those three indentations and as you can see it's about an inch and a half maybe 2 in deep and about 9 in across an interesting point is that the forest floor there was very hard packed sand in order to make three impressions of this nature it would have had to been a very heavy object we discovered mild radiation and evidence of broken branches on the trees we suddenly observed a very bright red orange object it was oval and with a center it reminded me of an eye and it appeared to be winking or blinking it maneuvered horizontally through the trees with an occasional vertical movement when approached it receded and silently broke into five white objects we moved out of the forest and onto a pasture and observed several objects in the sky multiple objects to the north they change shape from

1:05:28 elliptical to round several other objects were seen to the South one approached at a very high speed and sent down a strange beam right at our feet it was different than an ordinary light and it didn't radiate it was more like a laser beam and another object sent down beams to light into the weapon storage area the whole time we had difficulty communicating with the base as all three radio frequencies we we were using kept breaking up this activity continued for about an hour during this entire event I was fortunate to have with me my small pocket recorder it's a little lineer recorder that I carried around the base usually take notes because I didn't like to write much so I recorded all the significant events that happened that night unfortunately the tape recorder is no longer functional but I do have a tape and a good copy of it I have no idea what we saw that night but I do know with great certainty it was under intelligent control I thank you for your attention and we'll be available for

1:06:44 after what I'm about to tell you is about an event that never happened I used to tell the people before when we get done was it's one of these things that says who are you going to believe Your Lying Eyes or the government I'm John Callahan I was the vision chief of the accidents evaluations and investigation division of the FAA in Washington for six years during the 1980s in early January 1987 I received a call from the air traffic quality control branch in the faa's Alaskan region uh office uh they were requesting guidance and want to tell the media who were overflowing their office the media was requesting information about the UFO that chased the Japanese 747 across the Alaskan skies for some 31 minutes at flight Level 310 31,000 and 35,000 ft somehow

1:07:46 the word got out what UFOs when did this take place why wasn't Washington headquarters hey the guy says who believes in UFOs I just need to know what to tell the media to get him out of here the answer was simple tell them it's under investigation and then I said wrap it all up I want the disc I want the tapes I want everything you have over there and I want it at the faa's tech center morning that means he has to put it on the uh uh midnight flight the red line and it's a pain to get all that uh Japanese Airline flight 1628 was a cargo jet with a pilot co-pilot and one crew member they were just north of Anchorage it was about uh 11:00 p.m. but that's uh uh the time is not really correct it was closer to five when the pilot first reported the UFO he described it as a huge ball with lights running around it he said it was about

1:08:46 four times bigger than the 747 he was riding and remember the 747 has an elevator and he's looking out the window when he seees something that's four times the size of his aircraft he said he saw it with his eyes his Lying Eyes he saw it the uh co-pilot with him saw it and the other crew member all saw it visibly over the course of the next 31 minutes the UFO jumped miles in a few seconds the radar sweep at that antenna was like 10 seconds so one time he says it's over here at 12:00 and 8 Miles and when the uh tenant goes by we see a there 10 seconds later it is now behind them six seven miles behind him so it's going from from8 miles out here to six or seven miles back here really in only five or six seconds okay after receiving the data from Alaska almost two months later after this happened I briefed my boss Javi

1:09:47 Safir in the FAA administrator at the time was Admiral ingan and the Admiral said to go to the tech center find out what's happening on I want to know what's going on now the FAA had developed a program that was capable of recreating the traffic on the control of scope we call it today a plan view display PVD I instructed the FAA specialist to synchronize The Voice tapes with the radar data so we could hear everything the controller and the pilot said and we could be looking at the scope at the same time so it would be as if you were standing behind the controller watching what was going on the print out and playback displayed primary Targets in the vicinity of the 747 these Target returns were displayed about the same time in place as the pilot advised viewing the UFO and if we had the capability of showing you this you would see it also of course the CIA said you can't see it because it's not

1:10:49 now both the radar and manual controller observed the primary t Target the military controllers also viewed the primary target on their radar and they identified it as a double primary a very large primary the pilot and crew viewed the Target on their radar and they were also able to see the huge uh UFO out there with their own eyes now if this craft had been a l jet or a military aircraft in today's uh uh air traffic operations when the pilot looks out the window and sees somebody shooting across his nose or flying along with them the first thing he does is call Air Traffic and say hey do you have traffic at my altitude and the controller would Panic looks at the scope and says no we don't have any traffic at your altitude well it's an unknown the air traffic controller then says we will track that guy until he lands and we'll have flight standards meet him down there we're going to write him up we'll pulls ticket we'll do whatever we have to do but the pilot basically said it's a UFO well who

1:11:53 who believes in UFOs and this is the kind of attitude that the air traffic had at the so when I went back to headquarters I gave Admiral England a quick briefing and showed him the video he set up a briefing with the President Reagan scientific staff and he told me my function was to hand this operation off to those people and those people ended up being the CIA the president's group a bunch of grunts uh that came to the meeting uh the says I want you to hand it off because the FAA does not control UFOs and we want it out of our now I brought a copy of the uh the video tape I made I had bought a camera for Christmas just before this happened and I took a video tape of it uh when I got home I showed it to my wife and my neighbors and I made a copy of it when I went to the to the briefing we put on this uh video for the the

1:12:54 people there two or three times so it takes you know a half hour so we'll talk about an hour and a half or so they asked a bunch of questions very intelligent questions they want to know the speed of the antenna they want to know the frequency of the antenna they want to know the uh uh uh beam width of the antenna they wanted to know the algorithm for the height finding equipment and the people I brought up in the room were all headquarters uh technical Engineers hardware and software people and they gave those answers like they were a high school math coach A square B Square C Square they spit that stuff right out it was really amazing to watch these guys work when they got done the uh the CIA said to all the people there this event happened we were never here and you're all sworn to secrecy we are confiscating all this data and they did they took everything that was in the room and those days when

1:13:56 you printed out something from the computer it printed out boxes and boxes and boxes of these uh these printouts you remember these from the from the days when when we used to see it on TV boxes and boxes of this stuff this is titled UFO incident at 11886 and it tells you what data is in here so we could take a chart and we could reproduce everything that the controller seen on a piece of paper Pap well they took all that data a few days later they brought in or a few weeks later I guess it was they brought in the faa's uh report of the event that never happened I had them put it on a little table in my room in a corner and I said we'll leave it there and when the CIA wants the rest of the data I'm sure they're going to come and get it not too long after that they brought the voice tapes for the same incident and we put that on top of that package waiting for

1:14:56 the CIA to come and get it now when I was at the tech center I had the the uh software engineers and the hardware Engineers put together a chart that would show every Target along the route flight and what they did is they commented on it this is when we first saw the UFO this is when the pilot saw the UFO this when the military guy saw the UFO all the way down here and there there's two of these it's it's ripped off here a little bit because it ended up in my bond for a couple years and I didn't know it was in the box and the mice were eating it when I get done with this briefing now we're talking to the engineers that build the air traffic control system hardware and software when they got done hanging this up on the wall I said tell me what those dots are what is it the hardware Engineers got up and said this problem over here that's a software problem and and this one over here software problem every time all the way down it's a

1:15:58 software problem there's nothing wrong with our Hardware system so I said fine it makes sense to me so the software guy gets up and he says this target over here that's a hardware problem and this one here a hardware problem there was no software problems and there was no Hardware problems well what do we have have if we don't have anything do we ever Target there or not well one man got up and said My Religion forbids me to believe UFOs so I said fine I gave the uh the briefing They Carried all the stuff they took it out this stuff stayed in my office for two years when I left one of the Specialists come in they in the hurry to get me out they packed up everything that was hanging there all the stuff on the walls and they put it in boxes and ship it to today I like to say that most people

1:16:59 working as FAA controllers they're not really familiar with how the FAA system works they don't know why aircraft traveling through our airspace is not displayed under scope they don't know why I do but they don't the system today in the organization of the FAA is not configured to identify and Trust these type of performances that's the end of my speech who are you going to believe your lion eyes or the government thank you inspector Callahan you beat Clint Eastwood hands down that was great my remarks are pretty short uh I'm F Simington in 1997 during my second

1:18:00 term as Governor of Arizona I saw something that defied logic and challenged my reality I witnessed a massive delta-shaped craft that silently navigated over the Peak uh area in North Phoenix uh in the evening and it was truly breathtaking uh to my astonishment it appeared that it appeared to be a solid structure it was huge uh it had a very distinctive Leading Edge with embedded uh huge embedded lights uh in uh and it was just traveling quietly made no sound through the Arizona night sky I still don't know what it was as a pilot and a former Air Force officer uh I can definitively say that this craft did not resemble any man-made object that I'd ever seen and it was certainly not high flares as uh put out by the uh the Air Force at Luke Air Force Base because I've never seen flares fly in

1:19:00 formation the incident was witnessed by hundreds if not thousands of people uh in Maricopa County and in Southern Arizona and my office was besieged with phone calls from very concerned uh citizens the growing hysteria intensified when the story broke nationally and um so I decided uh to lighten the mood of the state and I called a press conference uh where I dressed up my chief of staff in a martian outfit uh it was meant to be a spoof a good-natured spoof uh that worked we managed to lessen the sense of panic at the time but uh I also upset quite a few of my constituents well I'd like now to set the record straight I never meant to ridicule anyone my office did make inquiries as to the origin of the craft but to this day they remain unanswered eventually the Air National Guard claimed responsibility stating that their pilots had been dropping flares

1:20:00 they ALS also another individual from Tucson said that uh a10s had been flying in formation over Maricopa County but those of us in the Air Force and those of you who know about a10s they're called the warthog it's a tank killing aircraft know that it's the noisiest machine in the sky and there's no way that a flight of a10s could come over Maricopa County and be quiet that just doesn't work so we get these explanations that fly in the face of facts explanations like weather balloons swamp gas military flares and hardware and software problems I was never happy with this silly silly explanation there might there might very well have been military flares in the sky that evening but that sure wasn't what uh what I and what hundreds of my fellow citizens saw well I now know that I'm not alone in witnessing something extraordinary that's the bottom line there are many high-ranking military Aviation and government officials many of whom are

1:21:00 here today who share my concerns some of them uh have truly exceptional stories to tell there's absolutely no doubt as to the veracity of what these men have told you they have fought in Wars they have guarded top secret weapons and they've flown countless passengers throughout the world's Skies incidents like these are not going away one year ago Chicago's O'Hare Airport experienced a UFO event that made national and international headlines pilots and many other Airline employees observed a metallic looking disc hovering over the United Airlines terminal for several minutes and then it shot straight up into the sky cut a hole in the sky disappeared the FAA apparently did not investigate dismissed the sightings as weather we want the United States st's government to stop perpetuating the myth that all UFOs can be explained away in down toe and conventional terms instead

1:22:03 our country needs to reopen its official investigation that had shut down in 1969 the United States government can no longer shun an international dialogue about this phenomenon and we invite the government to work in cooperation with countries as represented on both sides of me here today today when it comes to events of this nature dealing with the great unknown we deserve I believe more openness and a serious pursuit of the facts by our government thank you very much okay we'll Now open up for questions and you can direct your questions directly to to uh any of the panelists or to me yes my name is De Ben I work for the aan France press um I get two questions uh one for the people who apparently dealt with the uh us

1:23:05 authorities refusing um you know their testimonies or putting a big taboo on it um my question is do you think it's more a a question of keeping those things secret for reason for for matters of National Security and that there are still investigations going on or that it's uh simply explained as um NE neglectance of those facts because simply it's ridiculous to believe in F UFOs and my second question uh for my French uh uh counterparts um uh what do you think U uh is the reaction of the DJs which is the equivalent of our French FAA do you feel like they have a an ear for that kind of observation by pilots and Military thank you very much well I I'll throw the first uh response to inspector Callahan about why the government might be so reluctant to part with this information well when I asked the CIA what he thought it was he said oh it's a UFO and these guys are all excited over all this data they have the

1:24:07 first time they had radar data for more than a minute or so they can't wait to get their hands on it my next thing was well let's send a Twix out to the American public and tell them we were visited by uh someone from another planet oh no he says we can't do that what are you talking about we do this all the time whenever we have a problem in the FAA we send the Twix out they say we have a problem and this what we're doing to fix it no no no no no no he says we can't do that it would scare the American public and that's why you don't know what's going on today because you people are afraid of what's happening and they don't want to encourage that fear okay thank you and the next um part okay uh so I am I have to emphasize that I have had a very good contact with the French defense about the study of the case but it was it has been uh totally ignored by uh Air France the staff and by the dgsa uh there is a quite a quite

1:25:08 different approach because a difference is of National Security it's not normal than a craft uh appears in our airace over Paris at 10,000 M it's absolutely forbidden with no flight plan and uh this isn't so this has been very correctly uh check by the Defence but uh for a for a France I was in Air France uh it was uh for company absolutely uh uh not not possible to communicate on that subject because Pilots have to be serious people that's all and did say the same thing did say a French thank you yes Bill Burns from the History Channel and from UFO magazine in the United States uh just a quick question when you were giving your press conference back in Phoenix were there

1:26:09 any external pressures on you to diffuse situation in the way you did or did anyone instruct you not to comment on the truth of what was happening in Phoenix well the only external pressure and it was significant was the fact that there was just this massive public reaction to uh the the lights over Phoenix uh I mean we've just being inundated by the press and uh our switchboard lighting up and people coming into my office saying this thing is just uh reaching Heights of Hysteria concern um I'd never seen that before I mean I've been in office for quite a while and uh I'd never seen kind of that reaction um and so uh three of us sort of sat down at the end and decided to to try to lighten the mood a little bit and my chief of staff Jay heer at the time when he was presented with the costume said he would not put it on and he said it wasn't part of his job

1:27:10 description and I told him that I had just changed his job description that he had to put it on then he said well then I resigned my position as your chief of staff and I said well I'm not going to accept your resignation go put on and he did he's never forgiven me for that yes next question theaa I am a foreign correspondent with e which is a news agency from Spain uh you're asking today ER for the US to reopen its official investigation uh that was shut down in 1969 can you please remind me why was that investigation closed and how would that change things if they reopen D um if any of you remember there were Congressional hearings back in 1966 and as a result of those hearings uh the Air Force was kind of forced to do an external investigation where they had 11 panelists from the University of Colorado it's called the condom report and the conom report conclusions uh were written by Edward

1:28:12 Condon and the summary of the report which was written by him were totally inconsistent with the data of the report but based on the summary from Condon they uh which said there was nothing to it but if you sip through the 12,000 or how many pages there were in the report you'll find that obviously some of the cases were explained are easily explained some were not easily explained and some were not explained at all um So based on the summary of the report they closed Project Blue Book in 1969 so that was the that was one of the excuses they Ed for doing that so conon report but the summary not the actual data what we really should be doing is what the English do we should inculcate it into law that these things have to be investigated ated as a matter of law there needs to be an official uh entity in the government where just like if there's an airplane disaster the national Transportation safety board sends investigators out does the job um and issues finally ultimately a very definitive report about what happened and it would certainly I think take a lot of The Angst out of this issue if the government would just do that and uh

1:29:13 there really is no reason why they shouldn't where did that yes sorry you behind the bright lights there I was have there been any sightings on the African continent there's pretty amazing case actually that happened in 1994 in Rua Zimbabwe and it was witnessed by 64 I believe school children ages between 8 and 12 years old and um they they uh lots of multiple Witnesses and they claim to have seen a landed one of the characteristic of this event it make it make open up to that this is a worldly phenomenon the media May believe make believe that this only happen in certain uh countries but not in the rest of the

1:30:23 just uh like in Africa this happens also in my country in Peru where this uh cases are not known that's it thank you okay yes Gary right straight back there my name is Gary tuckman with CNN and this question is for the governor and Mr Callahan I'm really interested in the motivations of the cover up and you address that Mr Callahan is that the government is is fearful that the government doesn't want to scare us but this really is a government that doesn't mind scaring us we still have orange alerts and red alerts and they scare us all the time it keeps people in work so I'm wondering why you think and you just state that that's the reason and that's it is that really the motivation for a government that doesn't mind scaring us inspector I like calling you inspector Callahan I got that's fine I've been called a lot worse you remember the year traffic controller strike where Reagan fired

1:31:23 11,000 controllers and he brought in uh uh military people that uh just got out of the service and some even got out early so they can come and help and we had a few people left over that stayed in not all bad controllers walked out and not all good controllers stayed in okay so we had a bad system that we didn't know what to do with and we're trying to train these guys overnight for something that normally takes three or five years and we're doing this uh accelerated thing that was very scary part of the problem during that period of time was we had to make sure that the American public didn't lose confidence and air traffic and stop traveling from one place to the other part of my job during that was spin control we had to send little twixes out that says how great and wonderful we are and how the system is as good today as it was a year ago and not to worry about it right after they put two uh airplanes together over Cali twice in one week two midair

1:32:24 collisions we had to construct a Twix that says the system is safer now than it was a year ago which was impossible we did that constantly so yeah do they want to scare the public I believe that's part of the problem we in America in us are supposed to be the the most technical country on the planet how can we as American CI citizens say there is somebody someplace else who is more technical than us that can travel from one planet to the other when we're having problems getting across the country without running into each other so there is a problem with the mindset we don't want the American public to think that we aren't number one and and we want to make sure you understand that everything is okay so we're not going to throw anything out there that changes that uh that philosophy it's a mindset that the government has we're like

1:33:24 Marines I'd like to just say one final word which is that um it's uh been wonderful to share this U panel with uh these distinguished uh gentlemen and I appreciate their personal courage and uh laying it out there in the public their stories uh it takes courage and um and we all appreciate James Fox and Leslie Kane for everything that they've done to make this his historic event uh happen and go so smoothly so thank you all very much and releas that information US Air Force but if I had to do it again i' probably would have got that close I probably touched it I probably would have stayed a little distance away that sort of concerns me that way and uh do you believe uh definitely have to be a UFO you said it just started to Blink again the lights and I don't believe in UFOs the craft of Unknown Origin I don't

1:34:29 know here it is are this what trying to do I think the public now is hold up andse the back years ago at that Halloween I for that movie directed I'm looking for something the work we trying to put it on today's yeah shouldn't be a problem favor one religion over another unun I just found off Mr pop British this is what we're trying to do I think the public now is old enough and wise enough can handle remember back uh 40 50 years ago at that Halloween I forget that movie directed that that did that Mars of landing on

1:35:30 the radio and it scared the yeah remember all those people that got hurt and whatnot well that's the same thing they're afraid of