Betty Hill: the “lost” 1999 interview (Portsmouth, NH)

0:01 and wanted me to go down and interview well a couple days later her husband called back up and he said forget it it says she didn't see anything she says I'm her diet military Colonel and it wasn't anything it was just a military uh I used to have the 45th and division look did you you remember Wayne and Sue von they used to come back here when peace was out here he was a lieutenant colonel I mean I have the 45th air division here every Sunday morning for waffles and and you were teaching them and they oh Elizabeth probably the only person in the world who has been paid by the Air Force to go to different Air Force bases and lecture to them on UFOs that's what I try and tell people in the government that the government doesn't know what the government knows I mean when you say government my God

1:14 who is that that's either yeah what's wrong Sylvia I don't think it was locked you must be feeling better yeah yeah how you doing remember dick yeah I'm doing an interview I left you a note though yeah I see it I mean okay I'll talk to you later oh I think I'm not sure but I think Daphne is on our way out today oh really yeah

2:15 she said that she's moving in with a uh some other woman yeah I'm kidding we're set to go and I was gonna go comb my hair sure whatever he needs to do before no so I've absolutely seen her and read the accountant and interestingly enough isn't it and uh it's amazing small world

3:31 that's the same as she's been born maybe that's the way to control her I love my snack being polite sometimes it's the only way and we're set to go that was scary how much they don't dare to be mentally ill you want to shoot yourself would you like to borrow my gun sorry you'll have to buy the bullets we're talking with Betty Hill famous and first abductee September 19 1961. Betty while driving with her husband Barney was heading south from Canada right when very early in the you saw a strange light behind the car it was September 19th but what time was that Betty that this light behind the car appeared well we would cross over the border into New Hampshire and I

4:32 think we started to see this light following actually in the very beginning I noticed a bright light in the sky and I thought I was discovering a new climate until it started to move and this was about oh 10 30 11 o'clock at night so we start the car and got out see what this we thought it was a plane so we start the car to get out to look at it and that's when it changed Direction and started coming in towards us now that was about the Lancaster area so and then it followed us for about 30 miles Haystack high and all the while you were morning were discussing it what is this what is that yeah see Bobby didn't robot too ain't no planes and he's trying to identify this and it's flying in a very erratic manner which was very puzzling to us but this is 61. we'd heard you have well actually in

5:34 those days they call them flying sauces we had no idea what a flying saucer looked like but we were but we had no fear just curiosity we're trying to identify this craft you go on in the road you decide to pull over Barney gets out of the car actually that was in the Indian Head area am I preceding something here when you encountered alien entities or was this after uh no this is the next step okay in the Indian Head area I'm trying to attract the attention of this craft I'm telling it come on in hi I got the window down I'm yelling to it who are you my couch all kinds of stuff the uh and at that point it left the top of the mountain came out over the highway and stopped in mid-air directly in front of us maybe about 50 feet in the sky so Bonnie got out with the binoculars in

6:37 an attempt to identify the craft and when he looked up these are a circular with a bright light behind it and he saw these men standing behind the window looking down at him and at that point the craft began to and he became frightened ran back to the car saying he thought they were trying to capture him so we got in the car and we were speeding down the highway to avoid as a driving along is beeping sounds that sounds like something was hitting the trunk of the car and the car and then we drove along for about another 30 miles when Bonnie turned off onto a side road and he was a group of men he'd seen on The Craft standing in the middle of this road blocking our way and naturally he had to stop the car and they came up in two groups took us

7:38 out of the car passed in the woods to where the craft was on the ground at that point strange thoughts started going through your heads thoughts that weren't your did you have some sort of telepathic communication with these entities or all our communication was durable verbal right oh interesting yep it spoke English in a limited way like you know a foreigner coming here and not too well acquainted with our language but in the same time using common colloquialisms of the day like you'll be back in no time or something of that ilk you know uh well in the very first part they put us in they had us under some kind of and I brought myself out of this but Barney was only able to bring himself partly out of it so that I was just as conscious as I am right now they walk you into the craft up around

8:39 that landed craft this is right off Route three well actually you didn't know where you were at that point um yeah but but right after move three so it they walk you up this ramp you brought in and what what did they say they were going to do with you well when we got up to the door I was not going to go in so I sacked them punched the entity yeah um in fact I put out such a battle that my dress is badly torn and he said you know come on all we want to do is some simple tests and as soon as a tests are over you we'll take you back to your car and you'll be on your way let's just go back to those type of um they were your classic alien gray-shaped cat like that it works okay thank you therefore I'm a human being there were there were a form of human beings right did they have cat like or Cheshire like eyes they had larger eyes than I was smaller nose and swallow

9:40 mouth no protruding part of the ear or no hair so many people Nothing Like These classic Grays used I don't know I've never seen those I don't know what they're talking about okay um there was a leader oh well so we we gave them different names to identify now I don't know if he was a leader or The Interpreter but we called him the leader and then there was the one who did the testing we called him The Examiner there were nine others who stayed out in the corridor and we call them the crew so you're on board what do you remember what you saw when you entered the craft did something must have taken taken you a vaccine this is amazing or what type of craft am I inside can you can you describe as to what you collectively one end to a corridor and then I was taken into a room and I had to step up because the flower level of the floor was above the corridor and

10:41 it was an oval-shaped though like we would see on a ship do you remember at that point did they specify what their agenda at that point was were you going immediately in for the examination or they had taken us strictly to to actually they wanted to find out how we would like them or different from them physically yeah did you feel that you were chosen for this or you happen to be in the wrong area at the wrong time or the right area at the right time well now I figure it was the right time in the right area but I think we uh I brought it on myself you know I'm waving to him and yelling to him and like who are you and oh you get into the examination room you're separated from Barney right he's taken into the second your examination and again all this comes out in later dreams and hypnosis but uh immediately do they remove your clothes and perform what happens you'll have to I'm I'm tainted by all the

11:42 popular law of abduction stories I don't know anything about those things you're better off but uh I was taken into this first room and uh it was it was quite bad it was a small table it was a stool and then the wall the donut they were doze in the wall that would slide back and forth and they put me on a stool checked my eyes ears nose throat my feet my hands and then he put me on a table and said they were going to check my nervous system and they used some kind of equipment to do and then he tried to insert a needle-like instrument in my navel which caused pain so they stopped doing it and uh then the examiner left went into the room wherever he was can you describe what was happening to Barney what Barney recalled under hypnosis some what was going on at the same time in his examination room uh

12:44 would by any most of the exam was a savings mine except uh they were interested in this bone structure I mean they were feeling all up and down his spine his arms and all basically did Barney recall any struggle akin to the struggle that you had where you had a corn no because they had him under this control and he was but very upsetting to him because he couldn't move so he they hit they had implemented paralysis uh um some sort of temporary Paralysis on Barney to subdue him whereas to you they gave you a little more leeway as far as you weren't well I'm sorry you know I was smaller than Bonnie so I didn't get a big dose of heroin so they saw him as more of a fear perhaps it was bigger than them your examination concludes then what happens well well the examiner is in doing Bonnie's exam I started talking with the leader and I said I know you're not from this planet

13:45 where are you from and he showed me a sound map and he explained part of the map to me um and then we just talked about food different aspects of life here you know and what give me something like what led to the food was the examiner came running back into the room where I was I started tugging at my teeth he wanted to know why Bonnie's teeth were removable and mine were not and the story is Barney had Dentures yeah yeah during World War II Bonnie got too close to a hand grenade and knocked his teeth out and they that they were totally confused that was very puzzling tool yeah and humorous yeah any other instances that that something that as a human you took so General as a characteristic that you never thought of it that they got confused by almost child liking you know

14:47 akin to the Denture incident because was there anything else like that they seemed like boy you don't know that but you can recall yeah well I was sort of disappointed I didn't know anything about the solar system okay I think they really expected me to be able to identify the map they were actually actually upset that you didn't recognize their home let's go to that Marjorie fish a months later or years later years later under hypnosis tries to induce you under hypnosis to redraw that no no no no no maybe you can go over that uh Dr Simon at the time Dr Benjamin Simon said that during the week if I wanted to I would be able to remember the star map and I would SketchUp but I was not to think about it I would just to let my hands go ahead and draw it which I did that was in 1965. 20 years after the incident no 1969

15:49 Madre fish came here and stayed a few asked me all kinds of questions hours and hours which he taped and then use that to go back home and took your message did the research on it and identified the areas the area of the storm out which she said was in the constellation that we know reticulous in the star system was Zeta Zeta ridiculite yep um the and from that point do you remember the mentioning Zeta reticuli or is that a terminology that we uh I would have no idea what that means and to remember what type of star system was it a white star was it a yellow star a red giant to recall what type of star or anything it's uh I don't know but I do know that our astronomers believe that the Stars on my map were the ones most likely to have what have planets and

16:49 have Life as We Know It And so they're and they may be younger Stars hotter Stars actually uh we're we're believed to be 4.6 billion years old or 20 billion it seems that we age a million years every five years so but actually Zeta reticulate we believe you know with the belief we don't know for sure we believe it's about 11 billion years old so a lot they've been around a lot longer than we have twice is over twice as long and then the um the chance to to evolutionize to to project so the this puzzling incident uh you're examined you get a tour of the spaceship for the craft did you did they show you anything it's just only on a need to know basis yes the one room I was in the interaction with you and the question answer session was more than Barney they did not give Barney the opportunity to inquire nope there was no conversation with Bobby you I enjoyed myself I had a great time he joked we kided really yeah I invited

17:53 him to come back I can say please please please come back oh I had so many friends who would love to meet you so this was not a traumatic experience at all it was an enlightening experience oh it's spiritually uplifting right perhaps right it would nobody could tell me there's not life on other planets same time it seems that 36 hours after the sighting is on record according to Jacques ballet at 2 14 A.M peace Air Force was tracking an unknown object oh yeah I told him uh peace amplifies released the radar report well they tracked his craft it's like two planes out to check it out and the reports of the pilots are still classified so we know they just saw it it's a skeptic that kind of knocks them out of the water then uh if if for you to guess if you if this were a concocted story boy you know your stuff where you've it's a pretty well orchestrated event to have peas

18:54 Personnel involved into that Betty and Barney uh you know Betty uh Bonnie was a postal worker yeah postal worker um you're involved in real estate and that you pulled off a grand hoax with through the air force this is it's nearly impossible if not impossible absurd I guess is the term I'm looking for you're released from the craft you get back into the car you check your watches why of I don't think we checked our watches until we're almost home to see what time it was and both I watches that stop and you could not account for some time elapsed no the trip we realized the trip had taken much longer than what it should have maybe about two hours were you feeling woozy did you have a headache did you have any physical were you just exhausted what can you describe we've been driving all night we got home about five in the morning we come we so so you weren't feeling very well you didn't feel traumatized or anything at any time or or should I say violated at

19:56 that time you go in the house and I guess is it the next morning you check out the car and fun and what happens when you look at the car highly polished spots are the trunk of the car and that day it was we were getting uh tropical rains from a hurricane that was going through and it was Heavy downpour didn't affect the spots at all they stayed there for months your sister who claimed to have seen a UFO suggested that you do what with around the car she talked with a physicist who say go out with a compass and check out the spots which we did what happened and the compass was very very erratic almost spinning or just it was you know and we tried it on different other parts of the car and it didn't react but just near where the spots were yes hence the inference being a magnetic anomaly something was was really distorting the magnetic draw of the compass at that point uh afterwards you contact

20:57 kufos J Allen Dr J and all of my neck or what is the sequence of events first of all we didn't do anything okay uh and then at nightcap in Washington I wrote to them because I wanted to know being exposed to a UFO close range was there any health problems we exposed to radiation what kind of they dispatch Walter Webb as their records okay okay so so nycap has that that letter winds up on the files of the center for UFO studies with Dr J Allen heinek it might have I don't know you never ever communicated with Dr heinek oh yeah we became good friends well that was she is late enough okay we did numerous TV programs together okay what was your feeling on Dr heinek um was he obviously a thinly veiled skeptic oh no no no no no he's what he's every word about at the end yep oh I mean as soon as they met us sure um I think that his take on

21:58 the UFO phenomena when he was humiliated with the swamp gas incident yeah um you have to trot out an absurd explanation for an event in front of a college dorm I believe in Michigan or near the Great Lakes that's when he said all right enough that he saw that the government was masquerading or at least trotting out um disinformation and misinformation on the UFO phenomena because when he first started he was working for the yeah so Dr heineck and you were great friends then oh yeah yeah right no no and I believe Dr harnick's son there's a son who lives used to I don't know about now you live down here in Massachusetts so you're having some troubling dreams now is that what what happens at home oh after the uh actually ten nights after this happened I had a series of dreams for five nights each dream was different which later I found out was a recall of what had happened and the dreams were depicting what you just described to me

23:01 at that point what do you do is it is it starting is there any trouble by all this is Bonnie no is his life pattern change has his mood changed at all uh actually physical well the first thing I did was each what during the next day I wrote down what I could remember in my dream the following day which would be the 20th and every time I had it no I didn't know it was ten nights sure after so we're talking the 29th 30th roughly and I wrote I made a record on these three years of the day okay and then I took and put them away and then later several months later I talked with my supervisor about the meaning of dreams and then she said well maybe it happened and suggested or did she we just we just talked about it so Barney I mean life's going on as

24:02 usual you did mention it's not that you had these total memory blockages of what um but you you knew it would happen but it wasn't dramatically affecting your lives more you're curious more than anything curiosity that at that point now Walter Webb representing nycap comes is did he get involved in the picture he came and interviewed us a couple of times interviews you Walters uh a very highly esteemed researcher one of the original you ever see actually that I would say three weeks after this half of the United States government got did you notice anything strange odd vehicles around your home where you followed that your prototypical the Men in Black did you see him now they called us from Washington and they heard about our experience like to meet us they they were scientists they had an interest in UFOs so they came if we had continuing contacts with them for years the United States government sometimes

25:04 one time we even got together and camped out we saw 26 of the top scientists in this country and Jacque Valley was one of them wow so there was no subversion or subterfuge going on with the government they were straightforward out of curiosity and then no one was mocking you or highly skeptical well they were looking for information you know and because uh this was a highly unique case um and it represented a different genre in the UFO phenomena whereas it was a close encounter I guess of the Third Kind or would you call it a Fourth Kind where you were abducted I know that those are the the classifications given by Dr heinek and I know it was a land and craft you saw occupants and you went on board it nope and the the man who came got in touch with us were from the White House natural Security Council NASA and let's see yeah these were the top five dogs right right and the first thing they said to stay away from the UFO organizations

26:05 and that's I'd like to re-emphasize that's anybody listening at home today oh good for you you're your own person like they said don't we want to know the facts and we don't want you even with a possibility of being influenced by something else so stay right away and I always have and I still have contacts it gets to the spring of 1962. problems start happening with Barney well what's going on with Barney Barney started to his blood pressure was fluctuating and he was having anxieties well see Barney was working the midnight shift too so he's driving to Boston South Station every night had to be there I think and you know if he's getting home getting through what it's seven eight o'clock in the morning he's trying to

27:06 sleep during the day and everything just built up and he got sick physically lack of sleep can compound itself yep at that point did you equate that to the incident of September 19th did you think it was directly related with me having any sort of nightmares or it's just you just couldn't get asleep he couldn't sleep and um it was like he was standing some before we started going to Dr Simon he's leave here started driving to Boston to go to work turn around and come home and he just like I can't do it I'm too exhausted I don't feel good enter Dr Simon and then no he wasn't he was going to his regular Family Doctor Who's prescribing medications and all trying to treat him and he's not improving so his doctors thought maybe he had some kind of emotional problem that was preventing him from healing so he sent him into a psychiatrist in the

28:08 same office building he was in so Bonnie started going to Dr Stevens on a regular basis you know talking about his childhood and his mother and his father and all and one day Dr Steven said what did you do this weekend and Barney told him we went up in the White Mountains looking for UFOs and everybody told him and he's one he who referred us to Dr Benjamin Simon who had been one of his teachers in medical Dr Simon puts both of you under hypnosis recording let me get straight about hypnosis what you hear and what you see is stage hypnosis we had medical hypnosis which is the kind that's used in surgery medical hypnosis it's a highly trained psychologist doctor as opposed to a charlatan with a watch dangling back and

29:08 forth right okay right and um Dr Simon at the end of World War II had been that director of the Mason General Hospital in New York City for the retreat for the treatment of servicemen coming back from World War II who had emotional problems and he was so highly successful using medical hypnosis that the U.S army did a documentary of Dr Simon's work and in the beginning it was two hours but then in nineteen 1980 around there somewhere they shot in the film to one hour and it was shown up public PBS stations and the name of the film is let there be light and if if you could get a hold of it it is one of the greatest things you ever saw so this man is uh

30:09 has a lot of badges I guess I'd like to Simon it's a field of Psychiatry but he's not somebody that would lead questions he he's uh like you said he had brought a lot of men out of battle fatigue that were emotionally scarred in combat yes and uh the casualties in World War one alone of shell shock um but the men if they had been treated by trained uh Physicians and they could have been saved and contacted normality it this fell as a serviceman was brought in in a wheelchair he cannot walk now he'd been hit by shrapnel and all have been removed it was always in the world why he couldn't walk except he couldn't so doctors he's lying on the bed Dr Simon puts in medical hypnosis and he says to him get up and walk he says jumps out of bed and walks and he's walking around the room and he goes over to the nurse and he's crying and he's saying look look I can walk

31:09 I can really walk Dr Simon puts him back in the bed brings him out of the hypnosis and the first thing this patient does is he looks at Dr Simon real worried look in his face and he says do you think I'll ever be able to walk and talk to Diamond said I'm sure you and at the end of the movie he shows about those playing baseball so Dr Simon could help people will their through Agony right this is brought to the Public's attention in 1968 or 69 when a movie is made when maybe you were known obviously through newspaper accounts but you were brought worldwide I guess publicity your maximum publicity when the movie was 1965 mm-hmm we pull it up for a Boston newspaper heard about our experience and without ever meeting us published it for five days on the front pages of the newspaper it went all over the world at that

32:13 without having met you he took liberties with the story and there were some inaccuracies yeah like well he was pretty accurate I was amazed I still don't know where his Source was can you just do you think that maybe one of your government contacts at least this information to him and then to orchestrated somehow to get this to the public Consciousness I never thought of that I don't know okay what myths do you want to dispel about your encounter and things that they they fail to mention either they fail to mention when people think about the UFO incident with you and Barney uh and what are some myths that you'd like to dispel about that if you can think of any Liberties I've learned some stuff for instance tonight I always thought that they were almond-shaped uh entities with their alien you said no they were very much humanlike they spoke to you verbally verbally as opposed to telepathically right and we had a great time you wanted wait a minute I'll go get Junior so you can see what chewing you looks like okay sure sure absolutely

33:18 oh God yeah hanging on a wall over a bit there that I took another thing oh okay okay Junior fascinating another another thing I never call them aliens what did you go beings astronauts I call them what they were sure that's what they are right this is now this is a composite of what they look like the individual differences they do not look alike this is much different between among them is there is around any group of people but this basically shows the characteristics the larger eyes nose mouth no protruding part no hair but this one this is because he fell off the

34:18 podium in St Louis oh in practice okay somebody's okay though but he hasn't pronounced brow Ridge yep um as you said um a pug nose um more or less a very small orifice for a mouth and actually instead of whites actually have yellow eyes and eyes I love viruses and a pupils we put yellow in okay just emphasize them I was gonna say he needs Visine or he looks like he has malaria okay okay now Junior has been evaluated by I don't know how many physical anthropologists but what he looks like now if we continue along the path of evolution this is what we're going to look like in 25 000 years and would we be mammalian reptilian or insectoid or a combination of the three I mean because if you look at the way we're on our way with the nuclear there was a nuclear um exposure in Japan for instance and radiation causes mutation and if you

35:21 look along the lines of evolution we lost our appendix for instance people say we'll lose our little toe because we don't need it yeah the brain capacity gets larger and you become more spindly because we don't need muscles because it's Mind Over Matter correct is that the no no okay they're going to be like we are now except I mean look at mankind it's been around for what 2.6 million years depends on who you've talked to I guess so subjective so they've got the bodies so so that's basically what what the uh the the astronaut looked like right can I ask you something when they put that needle back on on board the craft they put the needle into your navel some have speculated that perhaps they were taking eggs or ove or no you don't think so because some are projected that isn't it interesting if you correlate that with test tube babies years on yeah well coach you know uh at the time this absolutely impossible to put a needle in someone's navel it would probably kill them but they get infections and then I

36:23 think the process was developed in the hospital down in Houston Texas yep did they do a perform any function like that with Barney then nope none whatsoever absolutely nothing sexual and there's that's another myth dispelled because there was always the that overtone in some of the accounts of your story so it's good to get that clarified and absolutely no sexual in fact uh you know having these different methods of producing children maybe we won't have any sex in 25 000 years or maybe of us well I won't go there but it's you've been tough in 1999 let me tell you um I want to ask you about after this incident you are catapulted into the Limelight not only are people relaying similar experiences you start hearing from people who have similar experiences and you're probably saying these people are are imagining on one hand others are very legitimate did you start here first of all students our experience became we became a senseful point for people to

37:25 report sightings and then after the movie the UFO incident then we had people um because the movie was in 75 and that was after buying his death they were calling me saying oh I think I've been abducted and so then as a social worker and I use Dr Simon's formula when people tell who it entails it can be hallucinations delusions fantasies or something they're recalling something they've seen heard or read when you rule out all those you may have the truth and they can't use the the using something you had read that people tried to equate that you had taken from the village boas case which happened three years after your incident in 1964 which is an absurd and impossibility for you to predict three years in the future as to what an event oh this is always for people listening at home was um a Latin man who was abducted or claimed to be abducted by a

38:27 spaceship and and was I guess sexually accosted by a female alien on board a spaceship and Skeptics like Phil class if you want to go after Phil right now you can if it isn't that important you know I would tell Phil he only talked that way to try to make money on my let's go there for the skeptic um I'm known as a paraseptic if you believe I probably don't if you don't believe I probably do I amalgamate my theories from both schools of thought you're both right you're both wrong there are some on the far end of this alien culture um that have these impossible stories that I cannot comprehend and then there are the Absurd closed-minded Skeptics who will denounce anything without even given the possibility that this instance could be real I think that if there's I come upon something that's unexplained my job's complete I'm looking for hoaxes and I'm looking for misidentifications let someone else figure it out now let me say this it's those abductions

39:28 there are real honest to God abductions but they're not known to the public uh I know probably about 12. and most of them involve two or three 50 percent of those people who have been abducted are in the emergency room at the hospital within four to six hours because they're convulsing or no no no they have breathing difficulties they lose a sense of balance their eyes won't focus they have different uh two men in Maine had all right I think with brown and yellow marks around their necks around their eyes different parts of their body was this the Allagash incident so so they're traumatized so what you're saying is abduction that you the ones that aren't readily known to the public they're very um almost violent occurrences because the physical traces left over the physical

40:30 uh I mean repercussions I mean there's something more than just saying oh I think I've been abducted I mean they've called the police and said take me to the hospital you were you don't consider yourself an abductee but a passenger and I like that that's refreshing oh a tour you I mean you you don't you consider yourself an abductee no no even though popular literature points to you yourself and Barney as the first abductees because you were the first two I call it we had them so I didn't like the you know Columbus came here and the Indians met with Columbus a cosmic caucus so the movie comes on your Clearinghouse for information a lot of people are coming to you some with stories that you can't believe others that you see that they're truly traumatized and victimized they ask what can you do to help me you probably answered I can't do anything except you can only take consolation and others who have shared your same

41:30 experience was that your advice that's my advice to abductees well if anybody comes to me and says I think I've been the first thing I say is stay away from it UFO investigators do not have hypnosis I'm gonna get a t-shirt with and then if you really feel inducted you'll begin to remember it yourself you don't need anybody to tell you and you will begin and you will gradually remember the whole thing such as uh John Salto who is teaching in at the College of North Dakota and he got in touch with me and said I think my son and I have been abducted I was both in the college professors only his son was teaching in California and Father's teaching in North Dakota and the two of them would get together and they're going to Mississippi on this trip when it happened well they come back home and they're separated and both of them begin to recall exactly what happened

42:31 no hypnosis no nothing they remembered the whole thing the UFO investigators start calling you but the government's calling you the the science scientists from all uh branches of like you said Military Intelligence um I'm sure universities everybody's got a solid scientific inquiry there's no skepticism at that point because of your sincerity and your consistency and testimony well for I don't know about five years I guess it was I did College lecture tours which was a lot of fun sure meeting the young people the young minds and then you see I invited the UFOs to come back and they did not here but as a few miles from here and we went out we had volunteers we covered the area almost every night for about 15 years okay and we had scientists we had Labs with testing equipment we had the

43:31 we had half the people that lived in town observing and we got loads and loads of information about UFOs but we also got hundreds and hundreds of sightings because over a 15-year period in Southern New Hampshire you orchestrated to watch groups we had all these volunteers and uh when I did the college lecture tourists I used about 85 different slides of UFOs but not just UFOs UFOs doing different kinds of things like a carrier with nine discs coming out of it I mean I I had a 89 movie camera and you have a film of a Mothership actually what I did is I sent them movie film to a friend who's a saskia addressed projected the movie film onto the screen and then took his camera and snap slides and then I showed the slides in my

44:34 and I bet you know people don't realize what a huge variety of different kinds and shapes of UFOs there are and also they usually travel around in the Squadron between 150 and 200 . so if you see one you left off keep looking there's an awful lot they don't travel around alone that's why the military doesn't attack them how many different types of entities are or Graces of people flux for instance you met somebody from Zeta reticuli how many different space scents are they all from Zeta reticuli are they I have no idea all I know many is that all I know is these crafts are flying together in squadrons okay they're all together emanating from the same I don't know where they're all coming from and they travel in squadrons and this is only based on on visual observations that you've taken personally how many UFOs for instance have you seen do you think it's impossible hundreds we'll just say right thousands thousands okay

45:34 and uh you can't see them on demand but you have a sense as to well you have to know where they go okay okay uh would you like to see a picture of a landed UFO too yeah okay I'll go get it I'll keep Junior right here company junior is the clay model or plaster depiction of The that Betty saw on September 19 1961. Betty as far as the the UFOs what's the largest one you've ever seen motherships we've heard a mile long do you believe I'll have to ask him when she comes back oh UFOs are small most UFOs are small small say the size of what an automobile the size of an airplane not seismic car a little bit bigger but usually when people say oh I saw this huge one actually what it is is a lot of little ones hooked up together flying into solid Mass

46:35 this is the landed one wow you can actually see pods or three legs I pointed out right here of The Craft so this is a landed UFO New Hampshire yep nope yep yes yeah looks to be at Dawn or duskers that that's the light being given off by the craft yeah it's beginning to get that so you're looking more or less West yep for that photograph yeah um what year was that taken in well sometime in the 70s in the 70s okay this one would come in every night and land same spot or generally San Francisco same general area and then others would come in fly up to this one and then go off so I always call this one the headquarters this is where they come in and get their artists for the night what town I know you don't want to sell out where your place is sorry okay all right I tried though didn't I I did try we're gonna all we can say is Southern New Hampshire that's all we can say about

47:35 that and also this one uh this one has actually is about 14 lights and not all light it but sometimes they'd only have two or three lights sometimes they have red lights green that's it you can see the legs on it you almost had a feeling to go of where to go for this one you had your group together you had an inkling is that what I'm getting now that you had an idea of here's where to go if we hang out here long enough we're going to see them no okay no driving to my mother's house at night now coming home from her house at usually but I mean I would be paced right we'd have a UFO on each side of the cow and then they'd go ahead of us and we'd follow them and they led me to these they led me to this spot do you have a feeling these are the same entities that originally abducted you on September 19th I don't know but I assume they knew them so I understand they had some kind of record all right it went just from the same Squadron so to speak yeah okay so those

48:36 UFOs land they just land um obviously you didn't walk towards it and try to touch it or get close the the idea was just the land here we are if you want to take your photos take them if a person tried to walk towards him they would come up dot towards a person and to scare the person to leave or sometimes uh they just take off they usually they just sit there this is when was the last time you saw a this being 1999. I looked out the window the other night and two of them was flying it was a very you know very poor sighting you know I could tell it was a UFO because the altitude and and Lighting what do you think about cloaking possibilities I've heard stories that I could be standing next to somebody that sees UFOs and I can't see them if I'm

49:36 not at a certain angle do you if you can't see him I'd suggest you have your eyes checked okay glasses baby yeah in other words that they when they make themselves appear they appear to everyone not just to certain people right okay so there's nothing to do with this new age um vibrational I don't know anything about that good that's another good thing that I'm going to put on the T-shirt now let's talk about now you're you get catapulted in uh as the UFO Authority you're invited abroad tell me about the Europe's reaction or uh Soviet Union's reaction in how you were treated and who you met Etc if you could maybe just give me a brief overview of say when you went to Europe I've even been on TV in China in this slide a filming that was done here was sold to China and they they had somebody speaking Chinese for I was on the same thing up in Montreal

50:36 I'm speaking French uh you know no matter where I go I'm speaking the native Japanese yeah so it's safe to say that this phenomena is worldwide or is it just the interest is worldwide or have you heard from all remote parts of the earth of people uh recounting similar incidents to yours how would you describe this phenomenal well always worldwide naturally like uh I mentioned that my son it was retired Navy well he was stationed in Japan for many many years and he had a Japanese wife and then he got transferred to this and this was in the 60s and she brought with her Publications about UFOs from Japan and I still have them wow and half the article is in Japanese and the other half is in English so let's let's uh look at the UFO phenomena they're increasing the

51:36 government obviously doesn't know what they are and that's why they're coming to Betty Hill uh firsthand witness uh they're trying to learn just as much as everybody else so the government has to tap into the UFO subculture and the UFO researchers as to getting gleaning that brings up my next thing about Roswell UFO crashes I have the opinion that there are either no Flying Saucer crashes or there's an entire litany you can't have just one what's your take on UFO crashes and on Roswell my opinion that one UFO crashed because a little Lieutenant came out and made a public statement and no little Lieutenant comes out all by himself and does that he's got to be cleared from the top we're talking about Walter Howe the Press information officer at Walker field and Roswell Army and he came out and said it and so it happened then the Pentagon came in and said oh no no no no no no no no meaning you shouldn't have said

52:38 that or no no no no no no wrong you see don't forget about it let's let's take a good look at the American public if they came out and said UFOs are flying here everybody be saying they're violating a raspace show them if you don't like them you don't understand them you kill them right that's right that's the American way of life I really think the government is protecting you I suppose well well let's go take one step further the government I think the window of opportunity for disclosure of UFO's existence by the government has closed and like you said because the public would say they've been flying in our airspace all along the next Congressional defense budgetary hearing that slash line item after line item and cut their budgets number one so um there is no defense against them they have not shown to be an aggressive phenomena they could have shot down our Fighters we have the Thomas mantel case um we have a case in Australia the valentich case where um people unfortunately encountered UFOs and disappeared or had some sort of craft malfunction these instances are going to

53:39 happen hence that these these uh the the case in Australia a friend of mine was in Australia I'm just kidding the lunch is case 1975 or 76. the friend of mine was in Australia when this happened and actually met with the parents of this man I think he was 19 years old 20 something like that so now we're out in the area with a UFOs are and we're yelling to him and asking them to bring them back to us you were asking please bring them back and they actually coming right in close to us like they were trying to hear what we were saying so you are a center or focal point or or somehow you you tend to attract UFOs that if you if Betty Hill wants to see a and puts your mind to it UFOs will come uh and sometimes I I say that it's almost like a atmospheric change of some kind I can be

54:41 sitting here and I can UFO go over the window and there it is okay so so you have a feeling there's something urgent it maybe it disturbs the air occurrence or something that I recognize just briefly back to Roswell so your take on Roswell is that incident happen or not or is the point moved it's not even worth discussing oh I think a UFO crashed yep and I think it was recovered no I don't know if bodies will be coming or not well I think a craft was well bodies weren't recovered it was either a remote controlled or B they were picked up by by a safety rescue Flying Saucer it could have been okay because we had a UFO crash here where where's in my area in Southern New and I went out there and all the people running UFO crashed oh maybe we ought to call the military may I don't maybe we ought to call the police and I said no go home and leave them alone if it crashed and there's anybody alive on it

55:43 let the others come in and rescue them can I ask you where this happened and when uh very close to the world New Hampshire again that's all we'll get but what about what time what year what it's something like this and does he said he know about this that has a catalog of flying saucer crashes uh this was never reported and guess what and the next day I went out with a neurosurgeon from peace Air Force Base thinking that if it crashed into if one was killed they might have left the body behind and we searched the whole area because if we could find the body we're going to bring it back and put it in my freezer and he was going to do in the Topsy and then we were going to call the whole world to come in and see that's right Ray santilly included the British guy who but we didn't find any bodies so but we did five where it crashed what year was it I don't know 60s 70s 70s okay so do you remember when the people were coming Running Out of the Woods did you see any

56:44 object impacted did you see I didn't say that no but what happened is what When the UFO okay this man is stopped at a stop sign and the UFO Came Crashing my straight down just missed his truck and then it went along through the woods and it cut the trees right off this place probably 25 feet wide and this is what everybody's running after the UFO following with all these trees are crashing now and that's when I got them all to come back and go home and forget it so UFO crashes are frequent then uh well I think probably quite a few quite often a craft malfunctions and then they get out and you repair it and take off do you think the military has ever shot down a UFO Leah Haley in Pensacola Florida claims to have been on board and

57:45 abducted by a UFO that was shot down by an electromagnetic pulse beam Weapon by the United States Air Force in Eglin Air Force Base you don't you don't buy that at all I know that they shot a piece off from a UFO and they send it outside this country to be analyzed and the scientists in that country were not able to analyze it and so the scientists took it and put it packed it away up in his attic and in 1975 the CIA called and said send it back so they had to go in the Attic they're sputtering got to go up there and go through all those boxes get that damn piece out send it back parts are coming forward now to the international UFO Museum in Roswell some claiming to be of extraterrestrial origin some has been traced back to just some China or Pottery maker in Denver Colorado I saw the pieces of debris it

58:47 looked to be some sort of piece off a bumper of a Volkswagen in my opinion you've got the charlatans the hoaxers that are going to come forward and say that this is a piece of a UFO when it is indeed is not and then you have other pieces of material that have an odd Metallurgy to them and odd um Atomic and isotopic structure so what you're saying oh I've had stuff analyzed that I've picked up from UFOs uh most of the stuff no matter what it looks like it feels like the puzzling thing is it dissolves in that they can't figure out almost is it gelatin like something no no it just falls apart and and it's like no it's like do you think the UFOs are seen over military bases more over High mineral content areas more over anomalous magnetic areas what's your take you mentioned prior to going on the air here about them emanating from the

59:48 Arctic Circle well here because well he did have peace Air Force Base but we haven't had it since the 18 since the 1980s sometime peace was a Strategic Air Command uh Depot there were nuclear used to come in over the nuclear weapons and the MPS used to go out with their blue lights flashing and then the UFOs would take off or the police would leave and the UFOs would come back so after a while they just left them alone early on um so this was frequent at peace Air Force oh yeah so early on I'm sure they scrambled Fighters but after a while they decided that it was just a waste of time and um that sometimes they send planes up to just follow them see where they're going what are they doing but not in an offensive yeah just in a reconnaissance reconnaissance I think just looking for information I don't think I don't think peas would have around shooting at them everybody in New Hampshire would disagreement that's right they call attention onto themselves so so Betty they come there

1:00:49 do you agree then there with that assessment that UFOs are seen over uh since the military installations that deal with nuclear weapons High mineral content areas um here they follow Rivers for navigation they follow rivers and they used to follow railroad tracks but not so much now because we don't have that many railroads so they did need lines of navigation right okay and now Pilots have told me of that maybe the reason they come in here so often is when they're flying in when you look down you see Cape Cod the shape of the land there's no other place in the world with the land shaped in that pattern that's and so maybe that's why they come in here it's easy to identify from outer space right let's talk about um the alien subculture I've seen the alien interview film that supposedly emanated from Area 51 where they have this bulbous head entity frankly it

1:01:51 looks like one of Jim Henson's mutated Muppets but they have this bulbous entity in this enclosure and some sort of scientist or doctor trying to communicate it communicate with this XD it has convulsion and uh you've seen the Russian the Russian flying saucer crash footage that came out on TNT a few years ago uh along with the sperm lost which was a cadaver uh apparently recovered by the Soviets and then you had the famous alien autopsy footage so okay I saw the uh one of the small craft that crashed in the Soviet Union I saw that on TV where they recovered the box right I believe that so you believe in aliens my take is if if there are UFO crashes then there have to be occupants if they're occupants some have to be dead some have to be alive if they're dead then they have to be autopsy to pay autopsy if you can bet that the military is going to film them hence there is autopsy footage the question begs is the alien autopsy

1:02:51 footage that was circulated four years ago by Ray santilly do you believe that to be authentic or not actually that body looks more like the astronauts and any other pictures I've seen very good point I never I never correlated that but that that looks more like very similar to what's our friend's name again here junior yeah it looks it does look very similar to in fact we saw a UFO person it looked very much like the one in that film where did you see this on board the craft and you were taken okay okay so I think in the film they said it was a and the autopsy right see if you really look at them there's no way to tell mail from that thing their eunuch almost neither male nor female I mean no proof no how you gonna wear earrings if it don't happen to anybody yes that's right and no curls if you know hair you have no girls no need for conditioner or rinses either right

1:03:53 um so let's talk about government interference government has never interfered with your life they haven't stalked on you in fact they've been just the opposite the government has been kind of Eddie Hill always inquiring about information cordial uh never threatening I want to talk to you about Men In Black um these are supposedly secret uh government agents with agendas or aliens trying to manifest themselves in a human form what's your take on Men In Black have you ever seen them have you ever talked to anybody that's that's encountered Men In Black I've met a lot of Men In Black but they're never any threat okay so so and then nothing to do with you okay so so that that we just spelled out I ask you about you Usos that's unidentified submerged objects do you think that UFOs can go underwater I know they can elaborate on that please they go underwater all the time because it's a great hiding place they won't be disturbed well no I wasn't there but down here in new wall of Sands the beach uh Sunday afternoon and this

1:04:53 report came from England I was like man Daya apparently the UFO investigator visiting someone in this area he's down on the beach the UFO came but died down in the water and then later came up again and the beach was crowded hundreds of people saw it wow wow there was an incident in New Hampshire where I believe around the time of your I don't want to say maybe the late 60s where something plummeted through the ice of a lake which caused a stirring a commotion do you recall that yeah can you elaborate on that of what as to what you recall I'm trying to think of the man's name he lives right up the street from my cousin but I heard it by call and then other organizations will call them peas to get information and they would tell them everybody to call me ah okay so in other words it was a cold Winter's day uh we plummeted through the ice of a lake in New Hampshire this man was a contractor and a lot of green foam

1:05:54 scene or something to that effect this man was a contractor he built houses and this is the middle of a blizzard heavy heavy snow 20 below zero and he's standing looking out the door when he says that this uh the ice is melting at 20 below zero so he went out and saw that there was this Rod at the of this little pond and I believe a green foam or something like that also odd bubbling or nothing oh he just saw it down then he let's throw puzzle so he thought well he'd go get something and pull it out and then like he got a rake and he said told me he got out there and he looked at it and he said what if it's electrical and it's in water and I got a metal leg a metal rake I could get killed sure electrocuted so he said well he'd wait see what happened he went back in my house and later a

1:06:55 friend came and he showed it to his friend now his friend call the police or somebody and that's how they got involved and then because the governor got involved everybody broke off the area and Melton Thompson I believe was the government yeah Governor at the time and they claimed they couldn't find anything other people claimed that they actually saw them take this Rod like thing out of the water and all have you been to the Nazca Lines in Peru those are the depictions of the Peruvian Plains the desert that uh supposedly are runways or Chariots of the Gods Eric mondonican who I'm sure you've met and spoken several times we had a bottle of wine together all right I had a beer with Stan Friedman he's the Roswell researcher so Stan Friedman was one of the first people we well not not the first but um besides the ones from Washington Stan was the first one we met

1:07:57 who are not government connected a nuclear physicist itinerant yeah Bonnie and I were going to do a program uh Phil Donahue show um I think it was Dr I'm not sure why Pittsburgh pittsfield's Pittsburgh and then uh Stan heard we were there and he called us and came by and we met yeah and we still keep in touch you've been to Gulf Breeze Florida Pensacola which is the site of Hurlburt um field which is Special Operations highly trained military operatives uh with the well they're independent of the army and Air Force there are some of our highly skilled troops you've got Eglin Air Force Base highly sensitive Installation Fort Walton Beach Fort Walton Beach you know it Pensacola Bay and hence we have a man by the name of Ed Walters uh November 1987. I've done that starts starts taking pictures of these odd crafts people are saying they're hoaxed I've spoken with Ed Walters um the jury's still out in my opinion at Walters a group forums called

1:08:59 the Watchers they sit at Shoreline Park looking over Pensacola Bay Santa Rosa sound every night and see what people say our UFOs on demand I take the trip down the Gulf Breeze I sit with these people and they're oohing and ironing up these red lights I said look at there's a UFO I said no that's a plane a taxiing plane on the way into Eglin well what about that one over there I said near the radio tower they said no no right there and I said that is the radio tower another one uh woman says these we see these red lights traveling along the surface of Santa Rosa sound and I see like those ones out there she goes there you go UFO and I said the cartel lights you can see the car driving out so I've sat with these Watchers and they cannot identify an aircraft let alone a star in the sky um I think people were they were desperately wanted to see UFOs and they got them but they got mundane phenomena unfortunately I don't think anybody I saw the original tape that Ed Walt has made of a UFO it was a UFO now I don't know about any

1:09:59 enlargements or any of those things but I also saw the spot where the UFO landed left Max in the ground I don't have a beat now this was a thing okay first of all I have friends that lived at Fort Walton Beach and I go down and stay three or four or five days I would go down there and people would ask me all about UFOs and I would say if you see a UFO do what we do in New Hampshire take your camera and film it and that Walt Disney and this photos were spectacular the Watchers meanwhile the original filament was not spectacular it was just a plain ordinary red glowing UFO and it landed in the school yet and it left Max and then the definition of the object took shape in the photographs okay now the enlargement I've never seen a UFOs that kind of UFO and a Peabody could be

1:11:00 people tried to claim that Ed Walters hosted yet there were other people that unbeknownst to Ed Walters that were seeing the exact same type of crap in the sky at the exact same time that Ed Walters was you know so in my opinion Walters could be the victim of a hoax but he was not the hoaxer I talked with people if all you got to do is go to Pensacola go back to old papers 1950 1960s and you're going to find all kinds of reports that you opposed they're not new there they've been there for years that's right now and again I'm gonna I a Pensacola Eglin Air Force Base area 51.1 golf though I call it because it's a sensitive installation we've got the gulf test range where we run missile runs uh torpedo runs we ran in World War II we trained our Pilots out there but it's a sensitive area and again getting back to if UFOs are visiting they're going to go to where the party is where the where we want to know where the entertaining people are you'd be over Los Alamos you'd be over Sandia

1:12:00 Laboratories and Albuquerque you'd certainly go to Eglin and you'd go as we mentioned Area 51 what's your take on Area 51 Betty do you think that they're hiding I don't think that's UFOs okay you know what I think it is I think it's when we captured planes from other countries and we're testing them out we did an area 51. also the last thing I read was that area was so polluted with radioactivity they moved everybody out so you and I think alike in that respect I think that there are black aircraft like the SR-71 the F-117 Stealth fighter B2 bomber and their red aircraft the Operation Red Hat they run red flag games out there whereby they take their enemies aircraft the Soviet Union migs and they test them they want to find their Achilles heal their weaknesses so you'll continually so why not put up a UFO story yeah we could fly in saucers here when the real agenda is we've got Soviet aircraft moreover we've got a lot of Soviet aircraft and if you can imagine if they could deploy those aircraft in an arena of combat under

1:13:01 their enemies colors there you go so the government that's why they never sought to quell the talk about UFOs they just didn't want you to look at the base you know you could talk about UFOs there and it also if it's polluted with all this radiation sure I mean it's also could be a health Factor there were a lot of nuclear shots out there I mean it's still cratered to this very day yep so we basically um in this interview taking a walk across America discussed Roswell Gulf Breeze Area 51 on hot spots of UFO phenomena do you think the Great Lakes is a hot spot for UFOs do you believe in something like the Great Lakes triangle for instance oh I know there's a lot of side names they follow waterways do you have any they go up the same mother and thriva can you equate UFOs with say instances in the Bermuda Triangle or are they too separate and distinct phenomena oh I think it's separate this thing Crossing into other areas of fortuna like um say let's just talk sea monsters you've been to Loch Ness beautiful place

1:14:02 myself included you went probably the drum netrocket which is the little Hub of the lock did you ever see anything strange that you see a UFO near Loch Ness nope nothing nope just a beautiful lock nope no circles and we went uh told them we went all over England and Scotland and Wales deep and entrenched in in the UK in the United Kingdom they're seeing them just like we are yeah in fact I just got a card from a man he's the national director of menza you know the men's of short monster yeah he's the national director of that in England and he's also involved in UFOs I was a member let's talk quickly about UFO groups I was involved with buforo which is the British UFO research Association I'm a dissenting member of mufon the mutual UFO Network I tend to think that mufon collects all the UFO reports and sits on them as if I think out of greed that they're going to either slip us the answer one day or that's how can we put this into a database and make some money and I've

1:15:03 known a lot of people that have sent reports to move on trying to get information on it or have a researcher meet a dead-end door with old Walter there and Walters retired nice man but um there was a cloak of secrecy hence that I think that muffon is a government agency for UFOs what do you think of that no because I don't think they get enough valuable information yeah I agree so yeah I know I've met Walt um and John shoeslow who's going to take over he and I've had contacts with each other in fact I think John schussell was there when Junior fell off the podium and broke his head and then uh Dwight Connolly who taken over the editor of mufon has been here you know I mean I have gotten tags with these people so so these UFO organizations are subjective in nature um each state with its own little agenda um on on on how you'll see your UFOs and what your UFOs will look like that's the that's the idea I got dealing with uh move on people they're set in their ways

1:16:05 as far as what happens some are are so bizarre and out there in the field um that you don't know what to believe so so you've got that that's where the science breaks out in Fishers you've got individual organizations with their own individual perception of what a UFO should or behave like and they don't you never know what they're going to do so it's a game a massive game of pin the tail on donkey and a lot of people are getting poked in the you know what yeah because people are feeling for the answers everybody seems to think that they have the answer when in fact maybe we all have a certain piece uh to the um have you ever seen Bigfoot Betty have I mean one of the things that I I research a Bigfoot in the New England area no I have never seen Bigfoot however I think maybe he might have run through my mother Chad one night yeah because the whole ground shook and we kept hearing this little noise and we it's too big for bail so we picked up sticks and we're hitting the ground

1:17:05 that's what you do to keep a bear away oh that's what I don't know I never met a bear face to face but that's what we've been told so you would not equate them with UFOs because yes I would okay oh please I think uh now I say this now basically I think you are Bigfoot is on this planet okay but I there have been of a UFO landing and one footprint by the door of the UFO and to make fun and there's only one print so it's like he put one foot out looks around gets back in I mean something's got a huge foot so these cases of the equation between Bigfoot and UFO phenomena at least have to be considered because if you look at mainstream Bigfoot research they denounce any sort of paranormal influence or association with Bigfoot or UFO equation or if you're riding around in a UFO and you want to clear the area drop down big down big for a few minutes

1:18:08 scare you I'll run you right out of the area I'd like to conclude this interview and I want to thank you for for taking the time you've been very informative and you really um opened up my eyes and really set yourself apart from the other abductees I've interviewed abductees I've interviewed a woman that that after she went through hypnosis and we mentioned that earlier in the interview how dangerous hypnosis can be as a tool if it's in the wrong hands and implemented and can psychologically scar an individual but she was digressed or regressed I should say and had a UFO experience now she won't even open her closet door or look under her bed because that's where she claims UFO entities tend to emerge from well that's three-year-olds got the monsters in the closet what advice would you give to UFO abductees when I talk to people that have seen the UFO they say what can I do when I say nothing should I go to the police no because you'll bring scoring a ridicule they're not going to help you anyways and they'll just write you down the book and and you know how the crews would drive by not because they want to

1:19:09 protect you from uh uh a UFO but this guy must be nuts what what my my advice is for other people too that these people should form some sort of support group share their experiences with others who have similar experiences and perhaps you can have consolation and you can have that type of support within your own would you agree to that nope what I tell them if you think you've been abducted don't tell anybody okay okay stay right away from everybody and in time you will remember and then once you remember then you will know what to do you're not going to need a support group okay good advice good advice indeed so the abduction phenomena do you do you see the abduction phenomena if you look at UFO sightings they started Landing in the 50s yours was the first abduction account in the um people taking on board saying that there are sexual tests performed on them now there are women that said that they've been claiming that they've been pregnant and that the I call it um

1:20:10 intergalactive womb snatching uh whereby they said nurses will tell you that almost every woman of childbearing age sometime or another has what we call the missing baby syndrome the false pregnancy right the false pregnancy and your body gives you the signs that you're pregnant yep God I'm lucky I'm a guy sometimes so so you're saying that um this this agenda are they stepping up their agenda are they making drones are they making half human half alien entities How can I you can't mix a dog and a cat together can't examine people and if they if they are uh Jessica's in the shape of us there's no sign that there are internal organs are the same so you don't buy into that then no I don't okay um and concluding in fact in the real abductions that I've worked with there has been no sexual interest at all in any of them man or woman they just seems that they just want to scare the bejesus out of them is that what you're saying

1:21:11 because of the trials they're searching every real abduction they're looking for different kinds of information the testing they do on this person is totally different from this one from this one from this one it's looking like they're looking for information for well I keep repeating the same old test over and over again Dr Jacques valet has a great adage we have to understand that we may not be able to understand do you like that well my book comments as opposed to UFOs Portsmouth New Hampshire any help what's the address 953 state if they want to buy it yep Jacques villain loves this book it is a common sense approach so you do take a common sense approach to UFOs right you don't look at this upon this as an evil phenomena you look upon this as an interesting phenomenon right I mean they're astronauts are explorers

1:22:12 they're just like someone coming from span Spain to New Hampshire they're tourists basically aren't they yep um are they looking us over I mean let's face it why would any advanced civilization want to get friendly with us right but in the same time it's still quite primitive you know if if you look at the prelude the order of battle and I don't like to say that but you send Recon if you're scouting out an area before I buy attractive land I scouted out with the do you think that they have eyes on our planet do you think that they want to mine our planet in that this planet would be better off run by them and not by us I mean moreover if we were disposed on like fleas a case of fleas on this planet do you think that their intentions are Malvern I think they wouldn't take us as a gift so you're saying is they like the planet but they don't like what's on I mean I think they're trying to decide what level of evolution we're in where'd you go when are we going to get progress

1:23:13 as every year we get worse rather than better do they have their eyes on the planet and its minerals no to my have they assisted the military in developing uh third fourth fifth generation aircraft that we made a Quantum Leap in avionics I think we've intervention I think we've had advances in our Technology based on things that we've obtained from crashed UFOs so the Optics okay Philip Corso was the one who wrote that after Roswell um I agree with him unfortunately in fact I know two people who did an analysis of the stuff well unfortunately I can't find holes in the um he is who he says he was that's no um because the only difference I would have was he seemed to think that the UFOs were a threat to us this is military anybody violating our ass face can be a threat

1:24:14 I know the material command at Wright-Patt were all nervous right Patterson Air Force Base when this book came out because that was one of their coming out under secrecy in in obliterating his oath and there wasn't anything they could do to him yep uh so that that there was some sort of Confluence of of alien intelligence or alien inventions that were that were uh subtly cast into the industrial mainstream and brought to fruition through fiber optics through night vision goggles through super strong Alloys uh through maybe something like this bulletproof an exotic propulsion system perhaps so um do you believe that we are flying exotic aircraft out of no okay that we don't have the the capability do you believe that we perhaps have a string of lethal satellites orbiting the planet that may be in fact not there to shoot down intercontinental ballistic missile spotter in orbit say to uh shoot

1:25:15 down UFOs there you go do you believe that that's possible oh I think we might attempt it but I don't think we'd be so in other words before we fight we're going to train and we're if the that's the way the military looks at it if they cannot take on an opponent and defeat it then they're going to go back and into the drawing board until they're ready to have that technology and take down these UFOs do you think that that's in the government's agenda eventually is to shoot them down and leave us out is the sake of our species at stake here um no I don't think uh first of all the government's not going to shoot them down and you say government I'm talking about all the governments of the world because it would be futile it'll be like peasants throwing rocks at an F-16 jet fighter for instance okay and they're not they're not threatening Us in any way the the phenomenon is moot as they say there is there isn't a mundane threat tell me what's in your book what are you talking about actually it's about my experiences with UFOs since uh 1961.

1:26:17 is it a handbook how to see UFOs do you give tips there well I have the you know how we found the area and all and I from I understand there are several areas in there this country where people go out just like we did every night and observe and take pictures some can say Sedona Arizona Gulf Breeze some say the Nevada desert uh some now say outside Salt Lake City to the Western Hill Air Force that's dugway Proving Grounds I've always heard up towards Lake Michigan that area right the Great Lakes triangle right that's always been a hotbed for UFO sightings West Virginia had a Spate of sightings in the 50s and 60s in that area Virginia so um you don't think it's relative to what's underneath the ground it's just uh that this chance that they chose a specific area yeah or they found interested people that are interested in them for instance you of that area in Southern New Hampshire and I think all right now for example they're interested in things that we do for example

1:27:19 in this area where we went out to observe about two or three miles away they're building a golf course every night the UFOs are out there looking over and see what's going on hmm and not too far from that this uh Farm decided to start growing all these fruit trees and they had all this heavy equipment and everything you know they're planting Acres of them well we used to go and watch the UFOs flying around the heavy let me ask you this how do they eat do you believe in cattle mutilation do you think that's equated with aliens I don't know I don't know you're open-minded to that or you haven't done enough investigation such that you couldn't comment well I'm actually I wrote about the police out in Colorado okay so you've been to the San Luis Valley uh I don't know what that is you're joking in Colorado so you were yeah I've been in Colorado actually I was out across the dude

1:28:19 I think that's supposed to be the highest altitude the highest Alpine plane right so it sounds like you were at the San Luis Valley which is a hotbed for Academy mutilation so you're not sure as to if the two were equated and the aliens have to eat somehow right do they eat food I don't know I don't know what they eat but I know that uh yeah I rode around with the police out there looking for uh that showed you took me around showed me this is where this cat cattles were mutilated and how they had actually had hired men to go out and protect the cattle tonight with that loaded guns and they were they were cookie cutter and um laser Precision so you don't know what to make of that no but uh somebody was mutilate I know one thing uh one farmer gave me a picture of a calf of his had been mutilated and I showed it to this friend of mine a neurosurgeon and he looked at it and he said if you can find out who did that cutting I want to go in business with her that's right because uh whoever did it has to be one

1:29:20 of the most foremost skilled surgeons on the planet and you think that they'd want to hang out on their their yacht at Miami Beach or play some golf in Hawaii as opposed to going out in Sub-Zero temperatures in a high Alpine Valley plane cutting up cows so I want to ask you about crop circles what's your take on crop circles are they man-made are they Alien made or combination not a UFO I have a friend who just came back from England they are not alien related oh she's I have here would you like to see them yeah are you saying are they I got pictures of the crap the new craft circles that were done in August oh okay they are do you think that they are associated with UFOs it has to be um I've examined Doug Bowers and David Shirley are two hoaxers in England that started the crop circle or started making crop circles in the late 70s early 80s they can lay claim to a majority of the crop circles but not all

1:30:20 of them no these two guys they're more or less hoaxes you know they take a board and they right but these actually in the crop circles the wheat is almost like it's it doesn't just flatten it's the world some people standing within them can feel um hear a hum others can can put a compass over some sort of geiger counter and there are magnetic anomalies involved are you aware that there's sand circles have been found in the deserts of the Sahara uh Gobi desert in China and Ice circles in fact an ice Circle was found on the Frozen Charles River in Medfield Massachusetts Circa 1993. oh I never saw that yeah ice circles have been found um near the Ross sea ice shelf in Antarctica so that these are not just in the barley fields and cornfields of England they are taking a place across uh many bass expanses well I know there's been crop circles found in on the west coast right Washington State

1:31:23 recently yeah what's your take on have you heard of black helicopters yep I've filmed them okay could you could you elaborate please well the one that I filmed I have a picture of a helicopter pilot site they can't understand it because it's been modified in such a way that it should not be able to get off the ground the helicopter yep um San Luis Valley back to Colorado where the cattle mutilations occur that's a hotbed for um black helicopters and they that's a police believe that's the black helicopters doing the mutilations you think it's a you think it's somebody in those black helicopters that now the question is are the government are the aliens manifesting are they aliens manifesting themselves I don't know who they are but they're not government why would they go around doing that right because they could have their own little farms and experiment on their animals to their hearts content so that that would leave off an option in Chris O'Brien I made this info inference to him he's a researcher in San Luis Valley what if the UFOs could manifest

1:32:23 themselves as black helicopters let's just say if an incident that's it see now you're going to do a totally different area oh let's go we're I've got a picture that I took in daylight I looked up I was out in my area and I'm with a friend and I look up and I saw a plane and a helicopter flying side by side what's the plan of C-130 had four engines on it um what type of plane was it it doesn't play 9A helicopter and those two attracted my attention and I got a Polaroid camera a snap to play in the helicopter you don't see planes and helicopters flying side by side I set up a picture and I got a disc and a flying Barrel along with a plane in the helicopter So lately over the years I also I have a friend who filmed

1:33:24 a carrier letting a look like small planes like the old planes like World War One I think something like eight of them came out of the carrier and they looked like almost like rolls interesting and so and then also yeah and then also we had here what we call the crazy plane what's that it looks like a play okay and it will do things like it'll come right straight down hear me in Southern New Hampshire yep roaring worse than 10 gents come right straight pointed at the ground stop for about 20 feet flatten off up and take off do you think that's an alien crafter I know it is sure um so so what they're beginning to disguise themselves that's okay so so they're beginning to look like things that were familiar to us right so that they can get in closer a good Chris O'Brien story was he had

1:34:26 investigated this strange helicopter Encounter of a family in Colorado saw the strange yellow helicopter and it's so expansive to travel in that helicopter you wouldn't have enough fuel to go to the next Depot and so he's driving home and he's typing it up on his his typewriter the next morning he looks out he sees the same yellow helicopter 13 years later the way they describe now I want to get back to Special Operations groups I mentioned them earlier they emanate out of Kirtland Air Force Base in in Albuquerque to train there they're dispatched or I call them their nest is an Eglin Hurlburt Field black helicopters are shiny or flat black helicopters that are not registered with the FAA they don't have any military numbers or markings so they don't exist they can apply at any altitude anywhere you want they also are accompanied by four engine planes called c-130s they can be the way I look at them is it's the United States of America's way to check into the terrorist game unannounced you fight terrorism sometimes unfortunately with terrorism these are surgical teams that can get into an area perform whatever Duty they have to do with electrical intelligence

1:35:26 or psyops against the enemy and leave so now for the aliens to manifest themselves you have UFOs sightings and these Special Operations groups which show up later so now it seems that the aliens maybe or so I've heard manifesting themselves as these black helicopters almost in a mocking manner what do you think of that to the point that uh here's here's your secret group and okay yeah the UFOs come in to manifest themselves as black helicopters because you're inferring that these UFOs have the capacity to manifest themselves as some of our sensitive aircraft is that correct uh I don't know I do know this I've talked with military oh no we used in wartime we use black helicopters now after Vietnam all the helicopters came back and they were to go to the different branches of government the military that they've been assigned to and there were no black but I assume we probably had them when we attacked Iraq

1:36:27 so and so in other words black helicopters are great to have they're great instead of scrambling Fighters for to investigate UFOs you can get a chopper up out of anywhere get into the area investigate they're usually a few days late in or not a few hours late anyways and leave but that you've seen some odd you've heard of odd terrestrial aircraft that you and I know as terrestrial aircraft behaving in strange manners like you said that this woman who saw this UFO releasing World War One vintage aircraft yep it's a new phenomenon and she actually got some real good pictures of one of them because one of the small planes flew right down towards and look just like and you can see the two heads you know it had like the canopy like the old planes had and you could see the head because you couldn't see the features or anything do you believe that this was filmed in Richard Hoagland former announcer advisor talks about The Monuments on Mars talks about structures on the moon

1:37:28 what's your take on that do you believe that there's ancient monoliths or structures on the moon do are the aliens using that as a staging ground what's your opinion on that Richard Hoagland tends to up I don't know I don't have any opinion yet on Mars the face I think my life could have existed on Mass but you do yeah I think you know I've read books scientists years and years ago how when the planet Venus came in to our Atmos our area it went too close to my eyes and flipped it over and wiped life out there do you think the asteroid belt was a planet that exploded could have been okay I don't know do you think the astronauts encountered UFOs on their Apollo flights or Geminis their mercuries their space shuttle launches we've seen the videos coming out we've heard the fourth and fifth end stories well I know God and Cooper filmed the UFO a landed one and Edward therefore space because he was here last year oh Gordon

1:38:30 was oh yeah now when you have he's coming out and speaking and saying that he had an encounter uh Edgar Mitchell is another one that I've done TV programs with him so you have two esteemed astronauts I believe was it Mitchell that brought in Apollo 13 He steered it manually which I thought was uh or no Mitchell I think Mitchell's craft or was it one of the astronauts there um that we just Cooper I think it might have been Cooper that actually steers crafting which was one of the greatest single-handed manual re-entries in the history and that was Apollo 13. right but which is an unlucky number one so you've got these astronauts saying that they've encountered UFOs um and they've seen them which means that we are being monitored our launches are being monitored which also means the government is loosening this security secret information exactly but when it becomes so compartmentalized that uh you don't know what the person next to you is doing and they don't either uh that it's bound to slip out but if you put if

1:39:30 you break up the pieces of the puddle and dispers a puzzle and disperse them it'll be harder for somebody to put together the pieces but every once in a while you link a few pieces and there's a picture of what is actually happening um there is a possibility then that these UFOs are monitoring our space you agree with that oh like I would assume they would be what do you see as do you see us going out into outer space or living in space at some time colonized in space space station or maybe in a million years right it's way beyond our abilities at this time a number of global or Mars surveyor craft we've lost we just lost contact with another one do you think that that's just because we're building toys like for Fisher Price or do you think that they're being taken note by it some people say the great Galactic ghoul or some sort of alien presence do you think that they're getting too close to Mars in a certain area that we're not supposed to see and they're being taken well they seem to have

1:40:32 publicly announced why it failed it was a mixture of something like uh measurements and the metric system that's four out of five probes we've lost I don't know so it's hard to speculate I mean well I don't know I can't imagine UFOs attacking them they aren't that important if they can't if these are our do you think these aliens are are our future say 25 000 years do believe that they come from another system obviously but or do you think that perhaps they're coming back in time and visiting themselves back I think in time we're going to be this world is going to be one world and we won't bother with passports we'll just travel anywhere we want to belong to the people One race the human race right and then when we progress to that then we could maybe can start thinking about going to other worlds well because all you got to learn to get

1:41:34 along with each other here first before we go anyplace else that's right before we we look to the heavens and decide what is right for for the cosmos let's settle our differences here on our own little mud ball right right well Betty Hill I want to thank you for taking the time to speak in here with me here fascinating interview inviting me into your home Betty Hill's new book a common sense approach to UFOs um again Betty has the book here we want to mention how they can acquire the book one more time um the price of the book is 15.95 and usually it depends on where you they live but usually I send a priority mail which is three dollars and the address is 953 State Street Portsmouth New Hampshire all three eight oh one you got it live it learn it read it Betty Hill thank you very much for being our guest here tonight okay he's inside my guess what yeah yes I love this hold them up to the

1:42:37 camera if you'd like these are someone pictures what's yeah I've got the camera running still if you'd like to hold them up oh I gotta go take a trip first that's hit the fly in trash can uh who are the who was the tonight's concert offline trash can you hold the right torture okay I call it a flying trash can but one of the astronauts saw the same shape out in space and he caught a little flying beer can okay what else do you have there oh there's this is a disc this little attachment here is a remote controlled object which they toss out and it flies around by itself I don't know it could be a listening device something like that and those and that's a very common pattern for

1:43:39 them to fly in I don't know if you can get these or not sure yeah great they look okay that's very common that's there's yeah a very common pattern for flight and then oh this one's huge that's is that the outline of a craft this is the front the lighted front and I would say this one is about a quarter of a mile wide come in this one this is a disc fight it along the edges these were all taken in this area yep yep in your hot spot yep evergots that's got you got you to disclose well we know is Southern New New Hampshire has a Litany of UFO sightings oh let me show you these glows yeah these are very interesting these are all about copies of my if you're too close to a UFO this is what it does to your camera

1:44:40 you can take a picture of it you get all these lights I mean I assume this at different kinds of energy it's if we only knew how to analyze them and these were Outdoors taken these would take my front steps here the UFO is coming up the street it must have it was right up your street now how long ago was this oh I don't know I I always think of everything in the 70s see oh this picture is very important anyway the craft came up the street I'm standing on the front steps and then when I went over the rule for the buildings across the and I filmed that but this is a very polar very poor picture of it anyway it was a circle a circular craft round like a ball and they had windows that were lighted you could you know almost impossible to see them there I think

1:45:42 and then they'll see uh UFOs quite often come in on beams they'll come in they might have two or three beams come in and then as the crafts come in then the beams disappear let's see oh this is actually this one here this is a this is right right right bread that's the way the pictures were duplicated here's a remote controlled and this one is Vega it's a perfectly round ball and it's bigger than the full oh that's some more from the too close so okay man that was great thank you very much buddy appreciate it and good luck with your new book all right that's your first your first

1:46:43 book isn't it yeah oh I've written several articles the first book yeah right thank you very much Betty you're welcome that was great thank you God that's the longest I got without a cigarette in are a champion as far as covering the phenomenal let me tell you you are so refreshing just some of your answers and um I like the way you sound I never found any strange man in my bedroom you suck it to the other researchers and and you owe me a copy of that tape oh that was fantastic that was great Betty thank you for your patience I really appreciate it see my theory about the manifesting is helicopters I mean when I tell people that you know I know Special Operations like the back of my hand and there's some groups that the Special Operations don't know and they look like Special Operations so that's right

1:47:52 how do you know