Citizen Hearing 2013: Nuclear Tampering, Part 2

0:02 it's called the hearing back to order it's been wonderful we are into our last 50 60 minutes of it and it's a again an honor to have shared it and all my members who are who've been invited to come we appreciate your time as well many have said they appreciate our time and we think it's a mutual thing because there's in congress you can only be good at a couple things and those are your major two committees and you'll rely on others to help you get through the mirage of all of the rest of it so this is new for many of us and we appreciate you very much we thought in this last hour or so that we go back to the panel first um if you have any other comments that you'd like to make then the members will question and then the members will have closing remarks we'll try to make time for that and if you'd like to make a closing mark as well we'll do that i'd like to start off with this session with question for all of you experienced uh men of this government and otherwise why do you believe today and 30 40 years

1:04 the military primary primarily has the whole idea of what might be you unidentified flying objects or extraterrestrial and we can start anywhere but i why do you think they've done that never mentioned it again act like it never happened it didn't really happen you know those kinds of things is there something we ought to know there anybody got to comment on that sure first of all i think it's the technology factor if they do have tangible objects in hand and have learned some technology that is very valuable that we don't have technology that we don't currently have that they have recovered yes oh that they've recovered if they if they have recovered ufo technology that is very valuable stuff and that's worth keeping a secret the other thing is if they were to let the general public know that they have no control over

2:07 these objects that they chase them they can't catch that's something they didn't want the public to really know those are very good the first being that our country may have acquired some new technology that we learned from them and are now i have no idea but was that your first point was your point my first point if they have recovered technology okay all right one reason for keeping a secret the other one is they wouldn't want the public to know that they have no control over these these these objects that are seemingly controlled by some kind of and why would they not want the public to know that we don't know what's there or that they might be mrs scott they're they're afraid that we would panic we as a people we as a country as a as as the world uh they're afraid that

3:09 western civilization would collapse uh western uh religion would collapse your mind can go crazy on thinking the worst thing and and if you say well let's bring a one world government into this for a defense well that could prove to be a one world dictatorship also so i can see i can understand why the military and intelligence is keeping a lid on this until they might feel safe to let the cat out of the bag but it's it's going to happen anyway and those are very good points both of those i want mrs hollis and i'm going to come to mr dog as regards to my case and that is these objects know uh in great detail how our missiles operate they know ours but we don't know theirs that's right and they they can they can

4:10 shut down our missiles at any time they have proven that they know in great detail how they operate and so um if you release that information to the public what do you say then about you know what kind of defense do we have against these things anyone else yes sir well captain they they could shut our missiles down until we put emf filters on our missiles in the early 70s and by 76 they couldn't shut them down because in my opinion of the emf filters and some of the documentation that robert salas got unsealed i looked at and found in fact in 68 after studying his they were looking at emf as a problem and i do distinctly remember our missiles being pulled offline one at a before our incident happened and asked one of the members of the

5:11 security maintenance teams and they let it out of the bag that it was an emf filter and then they got shushed for it and i also accompanied a nuclear warhead or crew duty additional duty would be to do that on a convoy where we took a nuclear warhead out to a missile site to be replaced to swap it out so my opinion that emf filters caused a problem to these entities until they worked around that by the time in 2010 uh i i don't want to disagree with mr festermacher but i would like to point out that about the incident that i just mentioned in 2010 the jury is still out as to whether or not that was a ufo incident 50 nuclear missiles were shut down while objects were seen overhead uh but i i certainly agree that after uh our incident and uh in the early days um

6:11 electromagnetic pulse or electromagnetic force was uh uh considered uh a possible cause for the the shutdowns and and the air force did have an active program to improve the emp protection mr dolan yes i think the uh answers of technology and panic are probably are top of the list certainly if even one artifact of a ufo were ever recovered and those who've studied this matter in most believe that that is the case one easily see why that would be a paramount interest to keep from uh other other parties that you don't want to have that technology so the only way to do that for sure is to deny that there's a phenomenon that exists whatsoever but we we actually know from the declassified literature that even as early as 1947 there were wind tunnel tests of disc uh shaped airframes that were being conducted at uh at right field in dayton ohio and these

7:12 were explicitly based on ufo sightings uh we have a document from october 1947 uh authored by colonel uh wentworth i believe in which he references to this so the obvious connection between ufo sightings alone and technological development is right there from the but the idea of panic is the worst um what we find in many cases is that panic can escalate very quickly uh 30 years ago in lower new york state hudson for about three four years there were a series of unbelievably incredible sightings but by thousands of people uh this got the attention very quickly of national media by 1984 the faa quickly and clearly had what could they literally say to the world yes there's these enormous boomerang shaped objects flying over the taconic parkway but don't worry even though we don't know who they are we don't think they're here to eat us i mean there's just nothing that you could say literally to the public that would assuage their fears

8:13 uh in 1997 over phoenix we have the incident of the famous phoenix lights in which governor 5 symington at a press conference a few days later brought out a big guy in an alien and basically threw cold water over the whole thing ridiculed it ten years later governor simmington at this national press conference in 2007 said not only did we have to do that to prevent public panic which in danger of escalating greatly at that but i myself saw the object in question and it was unbelievable and and he offered his strong opinion he's an experienced pilot by the way that this is not anything from our um i've had an opportunity to visit three or four aircraft carriers that a hundred or more planes can fly off of in my defense experience and the young men and women on ship who

9:15 nuclear submarines i might ask aircraft carriers as well as nuclear submarines i've seen the nukes lined up on the i don't know 50 100 deep look like in in rows we are supposedly the defense country of the world if there's something in our atmosphere or in the world that may question that it seems to me this this member that we need to take a look at it if they wanted to blow us up seems like they had done it 20 30 40 years ago maybe they want to coexist but to not begin to whatever day you got guys got more intelligence than i have it's just the wrong way i mean there won't be a world who wants that then my last one would at this time would be the pressed the press very very powerful do any of you know of any occasions where the press might have been i don't know caused to go one way or the

10:15 other positive or make joke of it at all a captain sailors solace thank you miss kilpatrick um in 2004 i was contacted by the peter jennings who's putting together a ufo special and flown to dallas texas for about two or three days they interviewed for for a couple of days got a lot of said i had great testimony and they were going to feature my testimony on their special with a week before that special that peter jennings special on ufos was to be broadcast i got a call saying that they couldn't they wouldn't be using my there are other members here the audience that were also interviewed for this but um to me they they gave me no reason and uh

11:16 and so i'm i'm just suspicious that somebody got to them and did not want this story out anyone else have any press uh well before we go to the members does anyone else at the table like to make a final statement as we go through it may not be your final because we're going to interact a little while longer but if you want to add something at this point otherwise i'll go right it's just sergeant scott i'd like to see the military and and the local police uh be able to have their people if if they see a sighting or respond to a sighting to be able to give an honest report of it because if it's a lie if it's a joke and that it it's it's very easily to find that out and if it's not then then what we're doing is gathering more intelligence information on a possible friend out there or a possible enemy and that

12:17 and the more information we gather the better it is for us and right now the police department my brother's a retired policeman he they they would send a rookie cop out to they didn't want to do it they would laugh about it but once he found out i was coming here then he got more serious after all these and they told me he believed also very good thank you are you yearning sir okay let me then open it up to our members for our final or we can have some dialogue for a little while let me start with carson bartlett thank you i've been looking at some of press clippings from yesterday's session and uh the government has been quite successful in this issue to the lunatic fringe i have but one article i have several articles i'm going to comment

13:18 only one of them and i really don't know where it played says the mock congress hearing on aliens is heavy on real-life mulders and not scully's i had no idea who malta's and scully's were until i until i read it but apparently uh in the x-files agent fox mother mulder believes in all things little green men roswell men in black whatever and agent dana scully believes in science scully forces malta to find hard evidence that there's a massive conspiracy to cover up aliens existence the problem this week's alien panel that we're an alien panel at the national press club is that any of the participating members of congress who might naturally be a scully have been have been incented to suspend their disbelief because the citizen hearing foundation is paying them twenty thousand dollars plus expenses to listen to the testimony that's just insulting that we can be bought for twenty thousand dollars that's ridiculous

14:22 it goes on to say the panelists and they mentioned the panelists and i'm one of the panelists and former rosco bartlett in an opening statement bartlett said he hadn't fulfilled his duty in office by failing to hold hearings on extraterrestrial i never said that what i'd said was that that the congress i a part of it had failed in its responsibility to respond to the constitutional requirement that we had a responsibility to respond to people to petition their government for a redress of grievances it's in the first amendment it's very clear i never said that i believed in extraterrestrials i believe that there are sightings out there that cannot be easily explained away that is one of the possible explanations of them there may be others but i never made that that statement compounding the problem of eyebrow raising testimonies that several of

15:22 these politicians have reputations for being a little and when it comes i don't know who said huh who said it i don't know if you tell me no no who's it from what what network or paper i don't know i can't tell you this is the article you tell me where it came from it's terrible it's terrible yeah i i want to read on uh bartlett has this is why i'm wacky bartlett is warned of the dangers of an electromagnetic pulse a theoretical nuclear blast in space that would fry electrical circuits and kill the this is not theoretical we did precisely that in in 1962 over johnston islands called starfish prime and it shut down electric didn't have any electronics in 62. it shut down electrical equipment in hawaii 800 miles away the congress set up an emp commission it functioned for eight years for four

16:23 it was chaired by dr bill graham the science advisor to president reagan johnny foster was on it the father of most of our nuclear weapons dr joan woodard was on it she is the deputy director at sandia labs and dr lowell wood from lawrence livermore was on it this is the person that that tom clancy told me and his view was the smartest man hired by the u.s that commission functioned for eight uh as a result of their functioning the pentagon has set up a permanent of permanent panel task force on on emp john kyle has made a statement that says that this is one of the few as a matter of fact i think it's the only event i know of that could end us as a sovereign nation you can read his you can read his comment on on now i'm just uh insulted that the press does this you know these

17:23 statements have no basis in reality and i want to point out something else how successful they've been here is a fact sheet that is put out by uh by the air force and it's about unidentified flying objects in air force project blue book uh they did everything they could to debunk twelve hundred twelve thousand eight hundred hundred 618 sightings but 701 of them they could not find any way to rationalize it away that's a pretty large number and then they make two statements um you know one thing they say is that uh there was never any indication of threat to our national security then why and heck the the uh classification the secret is no threat to our security those two things are just mutually exclusive aren't they you can't say one and then not and say the other they said there was no evidence submitted to or discovered by the air force that sightings categorized as unidentified

18:24 represented technology developed developments or principles beyond the range of modern scientific knowledge it reminds me of goebbels in his statement just say it often enough no matter how big the lie and people will soon believe it we have radar tracks we have radar showing that these objects whatever they are behave in ways that known aircraft of no country in the can i can do that just isn't true there was no evidence indicating that sightings categorized as unidentified were extraterrestrial that's true but there is a lot of but there is a lot of evidence that they couldn't be anything that is publicized by either our country or by russia or by china china is now entering as a player in this in in this domain

19:26 i'm generally a pretty quiet individual but you know this press this press stuff is just clearly outrageous the audacity and the ignorance of something like that just infuriates me thank you and then this same press that is ridiculing what we're doing today is totally silent when the air force puts out a fact sheet like this that is anything but a fact sheet because there are statements on it that are clearly clearly not true you know this there has to be an accountability for this does there not thank you for holding this this hearing thank you thank you thank you congresswoman wozzie well i have a thought and the thought is once there can be disclosure about what out there and what is coming in and an which will take certainly hearings uh

20:30 within the congress and in this house and the senate but we have a big question and that question is are we doing this because we are going to uh armed space and you know let's just talk about getting rid of in general that will one more war but up there in the the in space we don't want to do that and uh i just think this is the sneaky way to get there by not admitting that there's all of this challenge out there and i honestly believe that um the the um visitors the ufos have shown us what they can do i mean they can turn turn off full full uh nuclear sites and uh they don't have that's probably

21:33 why we have seen less and less recently because they've done what you know if if humans can't figure out what they're capable of uh then there's no they don't need to show us any other way because what i don't they obviously they maybe probably aren't uh violent because if they were what did what they're capable of they'd probably be eating some of us you know but they're annihilating us yes and uh we don't you know come on we need to talk about this we need to be furious at how the press is covering it and they will but thank you everybody and we've got three more days of this you know so we'll be thanking i guess until the cows come home here but um we've got some work to do and and our

22:33 has some work to do not just the united states of america so thank you madam chairman sure uh well i'm sorry i i ruined this afternoon because i brought the breast stuff to his attention it's but does that surprise you i would ask one question on the uh peter jennings uh did they go on with the show uh yes sir they did they just took you out they just took me out and i did they have any good evidence in the show at all not my opinion okay that's far for the course for mainstream media he he brought to my attention so he's wearing my afternoon the this is the fact she put out by the there's no evidence indicating that sightings uh categorized as categorized as unidentified were extraterrestrial what else could they be there's no i mean and then this i i i want to hit a couple of you on this

23:35 you know you can say well we're sure i'm skeptical of everything but by the same token if if there's no other rational reason for something you have to come to a conclusion and and the conclusion i can share with you which is just logic is if there's anything in this whole compendium of knowledge of ufos it's got to be what happened at minot and wyoming and so forth what what's been proven is that somebody out there extraterrestrial can shut off our defense capability just like that just like that now how do you think that makes the the people in congress who are appropriating billions and billions of dollars for a system that doesn't work if you really push to shove then and so so if there's ever a rationale for the government in cahoots with the military-industrial complex to defend the appropriation process that feeds

24:37 it's got to be what's been discovered and they've got to put a lid on this i this makes these all this wealth i'll give you an example what happened recently it happened in alaska you know we've we've got these silos in alaska we've got four uh for 16 of them uh and of course nobody's proven that they work except the phony testing that's been done now as soon as this we had this craze with north korea what happened they appropriated money for another 14 silos that will make 13 silos to go after north north korea and i don't know if any of you know the concept it's more expensive to build a than to build a spear so you build all the shields you want all they do is have more spears to get by your shields so this is the first thing i learned in one of the hearings

25:38 on the subject so i so it doesn't take you have to go very far to realize that what we have here is the goods of why the simple simple rational formulation that this threatens the entire defense department's capability and and so deny it it doesn't happen doesn't exist anybody talks about it they're idiots and so the press goes along with this and we go back to our conclusion of you know i tried to conclude that we have a a country ruled by juntas military juntas incorporation includes with our corporation but but what's been raised and i hate to monopolize it on but maybe this afternoon is going to go too fast but it's not been think what's what we've that we're we're supposed to now we didn't take an oath here you took an oath we didn't take an over but the obviously you assume that all

26:40 politicians are truthful well that's a fair assumption but let me point out to you that the hope is uh is that we will go back to members of congress and try to persuade them as to the knowledge that we've acquired well i've i'm for one will confess i don't know anybody in ascent that i could approach they could give me five minutes time on this particular subject before or after the hearing but what what this hearing has done is not so much that it's going to persuade it's the first step to persuading the american public or getting information out to the public and and that's where i think the great benefit that the contribution made uh with this but i just want to add one thing and i'll follow through on it tomorrow or the day after and that is fine we can educate the but does the public have any power to on this new knowledge that they have i don't see that

27:41 all they can do in election day is vote for people like us who who when we're there don't pay attention to this this is the problem we so i leave it at that i was going to ask uh the twenty thousand dollars they're complaining about twenty thousand this is five days eight hours for five days you know when the likes of these go out and speak they get thirty thousand dollars for an hour they get a hundred thousand dollars for an hour and a half uh i mean it's ridiculous that uh that it took uh that that this is raised by and it was raised in an interview somebody raised it with me and i said well what do you get paid when you're out on a stump this was somebody from uh from fox and he confessed 25 30 000 is what he gets for an hour and we're putting in 40 hours here so we're underpaid if anything but based upon the knowledge that we that was so i think we

28:43 we've concluded the reason for the cover-up and that's really what we discovered today this afternoon was that somebody can shut off our defense just like that and it's an embarrassment to the air force it's an embarrassment to the federal it's an embarrassment to the congress and of course nobody wants to face that embarrassment the uh that that i yield i reserve the balance of my time in case i want to come back that's right that's right thank you senator very much congresswoman hooley yes thank you madam um first of all i'd like to thank our panel you have been terrific just and anyone that wants to jump in and answer this question i i'm originally from north dakota i'm very familiar with minot so i have a problem with understanding why anyone would go to minot but any uh i'm sorry that's not a good thing i love

29:43 you north dakota what if some wherever they come from somebody is in minot shutting off the missiles why i mean is that to show us that they can do that is that why why would you do that can i try that first of all the world is facing a crisis right now about nuclear weapons i i don't have to remind you about those in in countries that are trying to acquire nuclear weapons we have enough and we've had enough nuclear weapons to destroy every living thing on on earth for a long long time right and it would not take much to start a nuclear war

30:44 in my opinion uh and it and and that risk is getting so i do believe that and i think they are extraterrestrial and this is just my opinion uh that they are here to uh at least point to the fact that we are on the verge of annihilation of uh suicide if you will our own civilization and they would like to see us get rid of these weapons and and and that's the message i got from from my incident that's my own okay that this was strictly a message uh get rid of your weapons get rid of those nuclear weapons they are not weapons of war by the way they're weapons of mass destruction right uh they would never be used in a real war because uh it would just be a complete suicide for for civilization like i said

31:45 anyone else want to jump in yes sergeant yeah in june of 2001 president bush came on on scene on abc news and it was throughout the networks and in popular mechanics magazine he had with him a general from the air and he was announcing that the general was going to be the head of a new military force called the space force and they were going to build this and also put a military base on the moon now nobody questioned him on why what was the purpose for that but then september 11th comes around the terrorist attack comes this general is posted as the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and this and the space force never comes the question i have still why did he want to create a new military force

32:48 for outer space unless there's a threat we have one we have a space we have a space for us it's in existence and it's been written about extensively it's there okay good all right some acknowledges and some don't but that's a that your points will take in sergeant backups is real well yeah i know you want me to answer that no no i won't no no let me go oh i'm sorry he jumped in right i'm sorry you're absolutely right continue it's your time congresswoman i'd like to hear from you i just said that what he's talking about is black ops and uh i don't doubt that but i'm concerned that they're trying to tell us i don't quite totally agree with bob but i do agree that's okay i i think they're at least trying to to

33:48 tell us that pay attention you know we have the power to do this be careful you know and one of my you know i've got scenarios in my mind about i've thought about this awful lot and one of my scenarios is perhaps in fact they've communicated with the leaders of the world and said back off from the or else you're going to annihilate yourself and maybe that's why we cut back some of our missiles yeah and other scenarios do these i'll call them beings do these you know are we aware of these enemies enough that they can go public instead of saying you can't handle truth we can handle the and going public with a innocuous thing harmless beings that are visiting us just to keep in touch and everything's fine or are do they consider us a species like

34:49 we consider apes of species or dolphins or perhaps rodents or perhaps insects you know so that sort of thing i don't want to know if it's just the fact that they're visiting and they're kind of trying to tell us to watch out for nuclears they can come forward with that the government should come forward to let us know to ease our minds a bit however if it's the other scenarios i just want to come forward and lie to us and tell us the entities are nice beings and they just want to warn us about nuclear i you know i can't handle that truth we're insects to these people thank you so much yes david you've asked us to speculate i don't know you probably don't know no i don't but um

35:50 these missiles being shut down captain described two flights that he's aware of i describe to you one flight of 10 missiles that i'm aware of but i'm also aware of other launch who've described to me similar so you know it's not unique that him and have been involved here i mean this was a situation that was occurring quite often when i served in 1966 and 67 and who knows that it's not still happening out there there's no active officers of any kind that will come out and admit that right now but what i'd like to know is what's your speculation on these missiles being shut down how is that rhetorical or you need to answer i'd like an answer to that okay let me come back to you because it will be just as good as i might have something to end on too let me get i

36:51 might just offer one one very 30-second opinion uh i i feel that we do do not have enough data even now to know exactly why this is happening because despite the number of cases where this does appear to have happened there are thousands of missiles and not all of them have been shut down as far as we can tell so if they're doing this uh they're obviously not doing it uniformly and i just i don't really feel that any any researcher who has enough data to know precisely what those motivations might be they obviously they seem to have demonstrated superiority over our technology that's for sure so at discrete moments they seem to be able to do this but they're not doing it and they certainly haven't stopped all of the massive wars that have uh you run over the planet so there are certain limits as to what they're willing to do as well thank you and i yield back my time chair thank you congresswoman congressman cook thank you

37:54 uh from the things that you've described today you all must have done what captain fenstermarker just indicate he has data that's think about these things a lot during the times when you didn't say too much anything publicly and after you've come out and started speaking which again i congratulate the two of you that have done that today where i understand the first time so i think i've got to say i think your are a lot more informed than what our might be on this so i'd like to start with captain salas and each of you have also said i think if i'm wrong on this correct me but that that you all complied as you were asked to do and required to do with the non-disclosure statements short almost immediately after you described to your seniors in the military what you had just witnessed am i correct on that yes sir you didn't

38:55 see i was involved in three uh sightings three different bases and not one time did i have to sign anything away okay sergeant scott i appreciate that clarification but i'm right for example let's start with uh captain solace you signed those uh i'm not absolutely sure okay so no disclosure absolutely and i think your spec or your reasons you might give this committee this panel as to both legitimate reasons why you might have been thinking over the years or at the time that the air force might have asked you to do that and the illegitimate reasons why they might have asked you to do that there must you must have some idea on both sides of this what re why did they make you come in and sign that right off the bat i mean and and why were they then why would you then hear the whole culture was don't talk about it or going to be in trouble what were the

39:56 legitimate reasons for that if they're if any if any uh or illegitimate reasons for that if i think i've discovered the main reason and that is is this one okay uh that the kind of investigation was ongoing at the time um and the idea of the continent investigation basically was to give the air force a way out of of investigating ufos and if they had allowed me to speak to the continent about my incident and and mr fiegel and mr mywald and mr uh they would have discovered that this was really a serious problem and so that i think was the primary reason they were so anxious to get us to sign these non-disclosure statements at the time but but that can also be very ill legitimate am i right from i'm talking about from the airport

40:57 air force's standpoint well if they were honest if they were honest about this that would have been illegitimate my question is what should they have done and what should we start insisting the air force do they should have been honest about it right they shouldn't agree with about it and let the people handle it this belongs with the people the people should decide something of this import and not a small group of individuals in and out of government which is what is going on right now there is a small group of individuals inside government and outside government that are controlling this phenomenon they're controlling the technology they're controlling what's said about it they're spreading disinformation about it they are controlling the press i think and and that's how they're keeping and keeping the ridicule factor well 1967 or 66 during your experience that's four

41:58 that's 45 years ago 46 years ago yes sir why aren't they releasing some of these statements by now if you know if you have any reasons for i mean i i just want to i want to understand this as you know what i can there's no way to pry open a can unless you have the right tools to pry it open if you just want my opinion i'll be yes well that's what i'm asking i want to know anybody else's opinion if you have i do think it's about power and greed it is not about concern for public that that window passed a long time ago but right now because they have discovered so much about how the of the technology and many other things regarded to this phenomenon including paranormal subjects like telepathic thought things like that um

43:00 which are part of this phenomenon we didn't talk about it but it is part of the phenomenon and the abductions that are going on another part of this phenomenon this is such a complex thing that these secrets are so powerful that the the men controlling this men and women that are controlling this um i think the main motivation is power and greed captain professor marker we're going to ask you this then you made the comments about the filters and i don't know all the technical terms but i was quite the timing of those filters coming on to protect nuclear installations and that in the 70s you say well 74.75 i would ask captain shindel and captain solace and isn't it likely or not that what you said to them they believed you because they started

44:02 technologies to protect against the very thing you were witnessing about am i right well sir as uh mr bartlett pointed out uh it was well known that uh nuclear explosions produce electromagnetic pulse and and uh but they don't just off appear to the point where you need filters for the silos well go ahead excuse me i didn't mean to there was a um a bench test done at boeing on the uh logic coupler and it was shown in this bench test that at a certain frequency of emp injected into the logic coupler that the coupler would just be disabled so they had that evidence and so there's no doubt in my mind that one reason they they tried to protect the missiles from emp was nuclear explosions but the other was as a result of the incident that i just described uh to help protect

45:03 against ufo uh disabling them the missiles of course they knew whether or not whether or not it was successful is is another question okay certainly i just wanted to make an observation about that we have using these bench test facilities several times uh deficiencies in our ballistic missile uh system and we have corrected those the last time we tested and the last time that we that we found deficiencies and fixed them we never we don't know whether they're fixed or not but neither do the russians and so there's that big question and that's how we left it they aren't so sure what they'll work we aren't dead sure they will work but if there's any questions about whether they will work or not the mad philosophy still is offering isn't it oh okay i appreciate that and also just wanted to quickly ask them so it's a little bit unclear in your mind

46:04 uh captain solos captain shindel that uh these filters that came in the 70s that were described here today that they could been brought forth by the air force because they were finally getting to something they felt had occurred as early as the 19. they knew about as early as the 1950s or something they might have experienced from the testimony it could have also been what you had told them either one maybe or is yeah well i know i'm kind of into the weeds on this a little bit and i apologize for that but i just wanted to know whether i mean it really struck me when i heard captain fester talk about fence monster talk about the the shields and the filters that they had to believed your and what you said you saw that day they had to know that something was

47:05 definitely happening and then to keep this silent for for 46 years as we've talked about you know i wasn't sure about this whole truth embargo even a few days ago but this truth embargo indeed needs to start coming down what that bob salas had released was very likely really with three sub documents and i spent a lot of time scanning it and it and in fact there was a little piece about ufos what it was was a technical explanation of all the echo sites and what happened at each of the sites in the first document and there's a little piece about ufos and it said the rumor of any ufo creating this is disapproved just disowned disowned i

48:05 think was also this rumor was proven now i don't know how you disprove a rumor yeah but but at the very end document it was a 68 document where they talked they were concerned with how emf affected it and that boeing was going to work on dmf the emf problem and i think what we installed was result of his echo and oscar flight and not his testimony because it didn't happen well they didn't believe him but the technical just because they said they didn't believe him doesn't mean they didn't believe him well yeah but the technical aspects they they couldn't say didn't happen because well echo flight had all these errors and this is what happened i think you're being very humble mr captain styles you probably and about all of you because you probably create a lot more than you believe or that you even are

49:05 willing to talk about all right thank you very much congressman carlson bartlett did you have another comment you'd like to make did you have another comment uh yes thank you very much i wanted to make a comment about the ballistic missile defense that the senator gravel was talking about he's correct our major ballistic missile defense is in it will intercept missiles coming over the pole most of our potential enemies the shortest route to get here is over the in my judgment i hope it will never be because the only time i think that it would be used is when the russians if they were to launch and it would be very quickly swamped they have thousands of missiles we if we're lucky if we're lucky we'd take out the first half dozen or so and that's it this system is really made to defend against countries like north korea and iran these people may be evil they are not they will not launch from their soil i have no idea why we're waiting until

50:07 they develop an intercontinental ballistic missile which will reach us they know that we will know from where it was launched and they know that within about 30 minutes they will be vaporized the whole darn they are a huge threat but the launch will not come from their soil it will come from somewhere in the ocean we big coastlines essentially totally and they will not be protected even decide we need to protect them not be protected for years and that's where the real threat comes from you know and i think that the monies we have spent on our missile ballistic missile defense in alaska are wasted monies because we cannot protect ourselves against russia in my judgment they're the only country that would ever come over the pole because if you have a 100 weapons coming over you know darn well where it came from no one else has that many so you know very well where it came from it came from russia so they have no reason not to come over the pole no one else has very many weapons and they're not going to launch from their because they know that you know with our triad with our submarines and so forth they know within about 30 minutes we would vaporize them do you think they

51:08 would do that they're a huge threat but it's from the ocean it is not from their soil thank you thank you that was rhetorical you don't don't feel compelled okay let me get up sir senator is also going to make a final comment oh no i want to follow through with that captain you made a challenge to us to respond would you repeat that challenge well you asked us to speculate on the no no you you you were asking us well i asked you right back what's your well here you were and you were wondering whether or not uh we have uh forces in space what do you think that all of these weapons are icbms in alaska are about you think it's about korea he's mentioned possibly russia they're not about russia you know we we can with our with our hold one submarine can hold which has

52:10 got over 250 warheads we can hold any any people in the world hostage did you not a year ago i don't it's within a year that the united states had a satellite and we let it come to earth and before it came into the atmosphere we shot it down to make a demonstration that we have the capability of shooting down satellites in outer space you recall that okay do you recall that six months later the chinese did the same thing to tell us tit for tat you can do it we can do it too and what country and of course the amount of money we're spending to weaponize outer space is is the supreme idiocy of the american government because we well we are the most vulnerable if you talk to any scientist any explosion in outer space who's got the most satellites i mean you'd wipe out our whole communication system you'd wipe out our

53:11 we're all dependent on satellites so this is the kind of of leadership and the appropriations that go forward in this idiocy and now when you talk uh you get a president united states when we we we cut back uh what 100 100 uh nukes and russians cut back 100 nukes and we're breaking each other's arms patting each other on the back think of the insanity of targeting russia and china today our banker is china russia all they want to do is is sell gas and oil to europe so they can live well and and so it leaves you with the question mark and this goes back to maybe the uh and i'll end on this uh you can be of uh of what we don't know but what we do know is so horrifying that you don't have any

54:11 room for suspicion it's a fact and thank you very much for your testimony i really enjoyed it thank you very much thank you i'm going to take the prerogative of the chair and just thank you all once again we've had a wonderful day from uh bentwaters to nuclear and all that you've done um tomorrow promises to be the day three with roswell and others we're uh we have thoroughly enjoyed you as presenters as an audience on the subject i don't think we can solve it all tonight you guys are light years ahead of most of us on it but do know that you have our ear and that we look forward to working with you just know that your written testimony will become our part of our permanent document and this committee is adjourned