Aliens Sent a Message to Humans… “WE ARE YOU” | Joe Rogan

0:00 path by a weird thing that happened to me when I was a kid. so I talk about it in my first two books, Identified Flying Objects and the Extratempestrial Model, where my I learned about um a close encounter that my dad had. He was a veterinarian in Northeast Ohio where I grew up. And he was out one night on a call uh with another guy, so there's two people as far as J. Allen Hynek's reliability scale has more reliability cuz there's multiple witnesses. It's also strange on his scale because they crossed the hill, there's a bright light. This is in Amish country, there's no lights in Amish country. And all of a sudden this bright light darts toward them, hovers just above their truck, darts back to where it was straight up into space like at incredible speed. So this happened before I was born, but I overheard him telling the story to some friends one night. He got Whitley Strieber's book Communion as most people did in the [clears throat] 1980s and as they should cuz it's a great book. And I walked into the living room, the book is sitting on the shelf facing me.

1:01 and I remember like it was yesterday, I sort of stopped and there was like this light like a white light and then I saw this image in my mind of like uh an early hominin chimpanzee-like creature, a modern human, and then that archetypal gray alien from the cover with this information, what if they're related? What if they are us from the future? And obviously, I mean that's why I became a biological anthropologist. People are always like, so >> saw this? >> Yeah, it was like a a flash like a light. And it you know, it's weird looking back on it cuz I know a lot more about these experiences. I've talked to people that have had these types of experiences. What was the setting? It was our living room. So it was like the you come in the front door and just to the left there's this living room, built-in bookshelf with all these books right there. I just turned the corner, saw it, and then like whoosh. Just kind of it just came. Like I didn't know [ __ ] about evolutionary biology, I didn't know about evolution. >> you saw it how? In my mind. Just this white light >> image? And it was that image of the

2:01 three faces and then the question could they be us from the future? And a lot of people are like, how'd you get into UFOs? Like you're you're a biological anthropologist. It's the opposite. I got into biological anthropology to research this question of whether they could be us from the So this you you felt like at that moment it wasn't just like a weird thought or a dream. It felt like a message. Like what did it feel like? Yeah. Yeah. It It was some It was a tasking. You know, I I think Rupert Sheldrake said it that that people don't have ideas, ideas have people. I think that was like the hey, go do this thing. Mhm. And I did. That's why we're here now talking [laughter] about it. And obviously, you know, you got to be careful about like selection bias and confirmation bias. Like I didn't go into this. I didn't go into grad school. I also didn't tell anybody in grad school I was there cuz they would have kicked me out. Um but I went into it with an open mind,

3:01 but I was there to study these things because of that event when I was 8 years old. Wow. Yeah, it's >> it is a problem the confirmation bias. It is a problem with wanting it to be real and I struggle with that cuz I desperately want it to be real. And so every time I talk to someone, you know, I've talked to a bunch of people that are you know, air quote whistleblowers. And some of them I think for sure have been sent in here to distribute dis- disinformation. Yeah, no doubt. For sure cuz it's a great place to do it. >> Yeah. I'll listen to you. I'll entertain almost anything. Which is great. We need that. Yeah. >> but yeah, I mean obviously there's people that are going to take advantage of it. >> But I think it's also important for me to say I'm not convinced. I you know, I don't know how much of this is horse [ __ ] but it's not zero. No. And And that was your question is how how do I Yeah. differentiate among these different cases. I do draw from Hynek's in his book The

4:02 UFO Experience. He lists out how we all should approach this based on the reliability scale and the strangeness Um Jacques Vallee also drew from that helped him develop it as part of the Invisible College and all of his work. regardless of like my own personal discernment. My second book The Extratempestrial Model is about 30 case studies, 15 main case studies, but then I pull in other ones. And it explores the different theories. Obviously, the main one being this extratempestrial idea, this future which by the way, I saw the word of the day today was anachronistic. And I was like, man, that would have been a way better word than extratempestrial which everybody struggles with. I could have called them anachronauts. Ooh. >> Doesn't that sound cool? >> That does sound cool. Anachronauts. Ooh, that sounds really cool. >> I know, what the hell was I thinking, man? Well, Anyway, >> you learn. But so one of the most commonly reported things across all cases, regardless of whether you think it's [ __ ] or you think this definitely happened, is they really want

5:02 our sperm. Huh. >> They really need or want our reproductive material, our gametes. And it's funny cuz I when I wrote my first book in 20 I started in 2012, published it in 2019, right at the end I did an interview and someone was like, have you heard of Jim Penniston? I'm like, no. Which is kind of a failing on my behalf. I'll admit that one. Uh it turns out so it was the Rendlesham Forest incident. He touched this craft, he got this binary code and he uh when deciphering the binary code, they legitimately specifically said, "We are you from the future. We're having problems with reproduction." He underwent hypnotic regression. "We're having problems with reproduction and we need this genetic material to help ourselves." And know, of people were like, "Well, why are they coming back and doing stuff to us?" I think they're coming back and getting stuff from [clears throat] us because of problems they're having, largely related to what you were talking about earlier with um the reduced sperm counts, the problem with female infertility. What if we do try to create the perfect human

6:04 specimen or we try to cure these genetic diseases through genetic manipulation, CRISPR, and we screw something up? We might have to come back. We can't go to another planet. There aren't people on these planets. Can't go and sample gametes from these other places. We might have to go into our past to get those wild type un- uh unmanipulated gametes in order to fix these problems. >> God, that's that's a crazy level of technological sophistication, the ability to venture back in time and somehow or another not [ __ ] up the timeline that's leading to I mean this is the problem that's always been theorized about time travel. Anything that you do, if you went back in time, any interactions, you would completely change how the future would play out. In the many worlds interpretation, yeah. >> Yeah. So, that idea >> is unfortunately very pervasive and mostly because of Back to the Future, which I think ruined the brains of most people. Mine, too. >> Certainly in my my my generation.

7:07 but what most physi- physicists don't agree on many things. But, most agree that we live in what's called a block universe, landscape time, block time, where if you imagine all moments from the very beginning of the Big Bang to the end of the universe, where all matter disappea- appears into like a black hole or contracts or whatever it all moments are already there. They exist as this massive four-dimensional block of all moments, all world lines, everything. So, you go back into the past as you perceive it, you can do whatever you want. You can walk around, step on butterflies, you know, slap people in the face, kick over, you know, dinosaurs or whatever. I don't think we can go back that far, but you could do anything you want and it doesn't change anything because you're going back in the block universe and doing those things you were always already going to do. And when you get home, everything's the same because that was already their past. To everybody that stayed behind, that was already their past. It was only the future for you to go back and do those things that

8:07 you were already going to do. And then you just went and did them, get home, everything's the same because you were always going to do those things in the first place. >> That's bizarre. But that's hard to >> that is the actual model of the universe, then again, I can only work, in writing these books, I can only work from what we know now. Clearly there's a lot of things we don't know. I'm not claiming to know anything beyond what we can know right now. But physicists, despite not knowing what time is, they know it's an emergent phenomenon. There's something more fundamental that time comes from, but they do agree on this block universe model. And in that case, there is no paradox. How do they all agree on that? Like wouldn't you have to test that and come up with some sort of a a hypothesis and then try to prove it or disprove it? You're right. I shouldn't say they all agree cuz there is the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics where if you went back in that situation, it would be change. You would be changing the timeline. Would it be changing your timeline or would it be changing a different timeline is the question. Mhm. And how would you know

9:07 there there's more paradoxes with changing things than not changing things. Why do you confidently state that you don't think that they can go back to the dinosaur age? But pumas are, you know, an established animal. To to have like some cryptozoological creature like Bigfoot that's undetected. But it's fun. It's fun. I want to but I don't really. Well, that's like in the ocean like they find some big fish that, you know, or some big Yeah. >> Well, like extra like some in your like I don't know, dude. We never knew he was down there. The compelling this too >> they think aliens could live in the ocean? I mean >> Yes. That's how much >> That was Jeremy Corbell was talking about that the other day that they um you know, it's hard it's hard to say like what kind of information he's getting, how accurate it is. But they're basically saying think about the movie Abyss where the aliens lived underwater. He was like that's probably what's going on. Yeah. That there's some sort of alien base underwater or some meeting place or that's where they hide. That's where they go to be undetected. >> you're going to see it in your lifetime?

10:08 Bigfoot or aliens? uh you know where it's like oh, like we have to like talk to them now. We have to like interact with them. >> there are there's video that is impossible to ignore. There's some things that are impossible to ignore. And then there's eyewitness testimonies of people who are rock solid, totally dependable like fighter pilots who have seen some things like the best examples this guy Commander David Fravor who was off the coast of San Diego in And this is corroborated by multiple points of data. They had this this tracking system that tracks things above Earth's atmosphere and they found this thing went from above 60,000 ft above sea level to 50 ft above sea level in less than a second. They have no idea how it's doing this. They have They have no idea There's no method of propulsion that's visible. They followed this thing. They locked onto it. It blocked their radar. It blocked their tracking systems rather. And then it

11:09 jetted off at an impossible rate of speed. And then the Nimitz relocated this thing at their cat point. The cat point is where the fighter pilots, when they're doing this test, they're doing this exercise, they were supposed to meet at this very specific point. And that's where this thing had gone. Like this thing had read their their manifest and they like or read their or their plans, and knew where they were going. What's well? That That is way more compelling to me than Bigfoot. The Bigfoot thing is just fun, but the alien thing is fun and likely. There's something going on. And so I go back and forth. Sometimes I think it maybe it's some sort of government drone that's like so sophisticated, and they're they you know they it's totally top secret, and if we ever go to war with China, that's when they're going to break it out. And then sometimes I think what they are is something that's monitoring us and making sure we don't blow ourselves up. Making sure that we we make this journey from territorial apes with thermonuclear weapons into

12:10 some sort of an advanced intergalactic society, and that there's a very crucial moment where the instincts of these tribal people, which is all of us, all human beings, are these tribal territorial people, where you have to keep them from any possible future progress by blowing themselves up, by killing each other, by What if we talked to them, and then >> they and then then when you say that, they go, "Yeah, that was it." Is that easy? Like not [laughter] that easy, but like he just goes, "That it?" He goes, "Yeah." That's about it. Yeah. That's about it. Yeah. But maybe that's like the natural thing that you see. Like when civilizations advance, like there's a very precarious moment where like they have the capability of blowing themselves up, but the reason and the logic to not do it, but they also have these instincts to control resources and take over territories. They still have those instincts. But they have to bypass that. They have to figure out how to And so

13:11 that's when aliens start circling and and just keeping an eye on us. Yeah. Cuz this is that That's the primary >> what you would hope, right? Instead of like them attacking us. Yes. Cuz then so I think if they were going to attack us, they would have already done it. They They would If they really could do all those things, they could probably take out our power grid pretty easy. Apparently, they're they the the stories are that they're able to shut down nuclear launches and nuclear facilities, and that they do that and they they they hover over military bases and that they'll just shut everything down just to let you know, "Hey, [ __ ] You know, I could just >> That's wow. flip that switch, so don't get too [ __ ] squirrely out there, you little worm." >> you think about what an alien is in terms of our our the sort of iconic image of an alien, like the Steven Spielberg Close Encounters of the Third Kind the third kind alien, they seem like what we'd assume a human being would eventually become. And if these things are tiny, human beings are smaller than they've ever been before, they're weaker than they've

14:12 ever been before, and there seems to be a trend in that direction. And this trend seems to be amplified by our technological progression, there are our lack of need for muscle strength and our lack of need for violence, and we're moving in a society to try to get away from all the things that we think are boring about human beings and the terrible behaviors that we have. If we one day do give birth to some sort of an artificial being, like Marshall McLuhan's uh quote, "We are the sex organs of the machine world." You know, that one day we >> Okay, I'll buy that. Yeah, McLuhan was brilliant, and that that quote has always been one of my favorites because, okay, what are we doing when we're constantly technologically innovating? We're constantly looking for faster cars, better computers, bigger screens, faster, more resolution, more pixels, more this, more that, higher bandwidth, 5G, 10G. What are we doing? We're moving into this in this If you just follow it objectively, stay stand back, don't

15:12 attach yourself or your civilization or culture to it and look at what it is, we're moving 100% towards technological innovation. If you looked at this species from afar, and if you weren't a part of it, you would say, "Well, what does this species do?" Oh, they make things. They make things better every year. Beehives are the same [ __ ] thing that you see 10 years ago. You go by, you see a beehive, it's amazing, it's cool, but they're the same [ __ ] thing. They figured out how to do it, they make a beehive. We don't do that. We make better things >> And at some point, I think that technology is going to fuse with us, and we're going to become >> happening. Yeah. >> Elon Musk talked about it on my podcast that we are cyborgs. You just carry it in your pocket, it's a phone. It answers any question you want. You can talk to it. It'll give you the answers ins- the answers instantaneously. It navigates you. It has all your phone numbers in it. It has all your contacts. You can get a hold of people. People listening to you through it. It's connecting us in ways even involuntarily. >> Haptics, that kind of thing. >> Yeah. It's also getting on your wrist. How many people have eye watches, Apple watches? They're putting them on their >> and that's only because we can't

16:13 integrate them yet, but if you know that point is coming. >> 100%. Yeah, I didn't joke about it last night, but I have a bit about it that I do. About the the integration between humans and technology. That's What would you do if you were a hyper-intelligence, right? Would you do the work yourself, or would you create some cool things called like humans to do it for you? Would you create things that are cybernetic organisms to come in with machines and do it for you? If you're hyper-intelligence that has kind of changed like you've described, you'd probably create workers, right? >> Well, that's a vast conspiracy theory. Isn't that I'm not talking about >> But it is a kind of a conspiracy, right? >> you. Well, I I mean, I don't think it's necessarily that. I mean, you could look at it that way, but that is the way a conspiracy theorist would look at it. The way I would look at it is like there's obviously a progression going on, a biological progression. There's some sort of an integration with technology. There's some sort of imperative, this need for technological innovation. It's inescapable. Everyone has it. We And I think it's attached to materialism in some sort of a strange way because so many people work so hard to get new things. And like, "God, that

17:15 seems so illogical and preposterous, and it makes people unhappy, and depression's on the rise, but nobody seems to be able to stop it. Like, why is that? Well, maybe it's because we are the electronic caterpillars that give birth to the butterfly. Maybe that's what we're doing. Maybe the >> very well be. >> What our job is to do is to make some sort of a cocoon, and we don't even know we're doing it while we're doing it. Do you think a caterpillar is Well, "Hey, caterpillar, what are you doing?" "Man, I'm just I'm doing my thing. It's my job. I have to make a cocoon, and then I'm going to become a butterfly." >> a natural part of evolution. It could be. We're just supposed to do this and make the jump to some sort of mechanized Right. Yeah, non-biological. >> an orangutan that is fishing with a No. They've They've figured out how to fish with spears. There's There's um primatologists, is that what you call >> somebody showing them how to fish? >> No, they've imitated human beings doing it. And now they do it, but they do it independently. They're not trained orangutans. They're wild orangutans.

18:15 Look at that. There's a wild orangutan fishing with a >> Well, there's these primatologists. I guess you would call them primatologists? Is that the term? That's a great >> biologist biologist that believe that monkeys and chimps and some of the great apes are moving into the Stone Age. That they've currently entered the Stone Age. Like, they're not staying what they were 100,000 years ago or 500,000 years ago, but they're actively using tools, and they're experimenting with different different ways to use those tools, and then they're making tools out of stone. They're making tools out of sticks, and they're they're using them. Well, this might just be what happens. This might just be what happens. I mean, why else Why are we Why the [ __ ] are we work so hard? I mean, I I was I was driving to LA this morning. Um I had a doctor's appointment, so I was on the 405 at 8:00 in the morning. I'm like, "Jesus Christ, like this is so crazy." When you're on the 405 in LA at 8:00 in the morning, you see literally a million cars. And it's just everywhere you go,

19:17 it's people. But and also, I'm in a Tesla. So, I have it on autopilot. So, I'm there sitting, I'm listening to a podcast. I I barely have my hand on the wheel. I'm not touching [ __ ] This car's driving me along. I'm not even doing anything. I'm just I'm just hanging out. It's so much less stress, by the way, to do it that way. So, it encourages you to to innovate. It encourages you to embrace this new technology. I got this giant screen. It's showing me the navigation in front of me. Oh, I'll be there 5 minutes early. Excellent. And I'm listening to a podcast wirelessly. It's Bluetooth stream streaming from my phone. And I pulled that podcast, which came out today, out of the [ __ ] sky. And I'm listening to it. And I'm all comfortable in my nice little car, just driving on my way to the doctor's >> This is irresistible stuff. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Different than your Walkman, you know, back in the day. This is irresistible. It is irresistible. >> It's frighteningly irresistible, I would >> frightening? I mean, if you were a monkey, right? If you were an Australopithecus, would you go, "Man, I don't want to [ __ ] be a person and live in a house. That's [ __ ] I like

20:17 just swinging around on trees. I like running from Jaguars. This is life. Guys, life is running from crocodiles. It's not living in a [ __ ] suburban >> some that are like that. >> Yeah, I don't think so. I think I think what when it comes, we're going to embrace it. We're going to embrace it the same way you embrace cell phones, the same way you embrace television. There's going to be a few holdouts. "I don't even have an email address, man." Those Those There's a few in far between. But good luck with that, [ __ ] Go move to the woods, Ted >> Yeah, I was just going to throw Ted Kaczynski out there. >> Ted Kaczynski was right. This is something that I think about sometimes when I get really high. That Ted Kaczynski was a part of the Harvard LSD studies. This has been proven. Ted Kaczynski, they cooked his [ __ ] brain when he was at Harvard. And then when he went over to Berkeley and became a professor, his goal was to make enough money so that he could implement this program and live in the woods and then write his manifesto and start killing people that were involved in propagating technology. He was expunged from the Harvard um logs, by the way. This is something my friend just called me about. So, there's like this uh private

21:18 library and they used to print people's names whenever they were part of a university and he was one of a handful of people that were expunged from it. I want to jump back to the one thing, Joe. I want to be very careful with that word, conspiracy theorist. What what I was what I was saying to you was we we terraform our Earth, right? We we terraform, we change the environment, we do all this innovation. What is stopping us from thinking that that's not being done? I'm not saying it is, I'm saying what's stopping us from thinking that that's being done on a much bigger level, on a cosmic level. >> You mean like aliens coming down doing that to humans? >> I'm telling you that there is something here. That's there's a fact, you know, there's something there are craft. They're here, they're not ours. They're here. So, the question is what is that about? And I'm just looking at what we do with what you're describing with technology and in terms >> I think it's much more likely that the same way we observe chimps and we observed that they are now in the Stone Age, that they're observing us and that they're recognizing that there is a pattern, that there is a there's a steps

22:19 that happen. I mean, Carl Sagan talked about the different levels of civilization and then you know, that if we don't get past certain levels, we're never going to reach this I mean, we're >> type one civilization. We're going to stay a type zero. Yeah. >> Well, we're in this warring, polluting, >> awesome. Civilizations. It's like, well, I mean, we're awesome in a lot of ways, you know? >> in that way, we're not. >> Well, yeah. We're we're we're children that have immense power that we didn't really The other thing is you're using the immense power that other people have created, right? I mean, even when you're driving a car, you're stomping on the gas, like, "Woo!" You didn't invent the [ __ ] engine. You didn't invent tires. There's all these things that were involved in the creation of this thing that is really outside of your grasp of understanding. But yet you have the ability to use it. Like a person with a gun. I'm just going to bang bang bang people. You don't you you didn't invent a gun. So like you've you've without the intellect to craft and engineer and and manifest these creations, you just

23:20 have access to them because you have paper or you have Bitcoin or you have whatever the [ __ ] you're using. You're using a credit card. Now you have almost no responsibility. You just you could just flippantly use these things, which is why we you know, we are very childlike in our actions. Because we we haven't had to earn the responsibility. We haven't had to earn these things that we've been able to have. And you've only been able to have them because other people have innovated and spent ungodly amounts of time and effort and focus in the lab to create these things. And then they've all put them together and then what is the what's the reason to put them together? To profit. Well, what's the reason to profit? Well, why why are you doing this? So you can buy more things. Well, what are what are we doing? What are we doing? We're making better things. That's what we do. That's all we Why the [ __ ] do we need oil? Why do we need oil? Why can't we just burn wood and stay home? Why can't we grow chickens and food in the backyard? Why can't we do Well, we [ __ ] can. We certainly can. People do do it. But we decide to make that almost impossible.

24:21 Our preferred way of living is to stuff everyone into a very small area where no one grows anything other than weed. This is what LA is. LA is 20 million people with hard surfaces is is many hard surfaces as you can. Boy, if you got an acre backyard in LA, holy [ __ ] Look at all that green. This is amazing. Well, no, that's the [ __ ] earth coming through this weird sort of creation that we've put on top of the earth. But the goal is that like New York City, that's there's none of it, right? You just got you got Central Park and they just got human [ __ ] Human stacked up. No one's growing anything. And then constant work. Everyone's up early. Go, go, go. Innovate, progress, make that money so you can buy more things. And every year, "Hey Apple, where's this [ __ ] new phone?" As if your phone isn't good enough. >> Like your phone's taking pictures and videos and people are calling [clears throat] you and you got applications that tell you which way the wind's blowing. That's not good enough. >> A blink of an eye blink of an eye, it's all gone though. That you know, like 10,000 years and the Hoover Dam goes or

25:21 whatever, you know, Mount Rushmore disintegrates. So, it's amazing cuz we have created that and and everything's trying to spring up through that. We keep it maintenance down, but we're we're a blink, man. Something hits. But we don't think that way. We you know, you think in terms of your own life, right? You think in terms of what you want and what you need right now. You know, what it's we are in many ways this combination of this weird primitive ape-like thing with the ability to calculate and manipulate our world and our environment that makes us wholly unique. On top of that with existential angst and and and fear. So, what do you do with that? We [ __ ] water it down with the anti-depressants. Give these [ __ ] people some [ __ ] that keeps them moving. They're worried about the future. They're trying to figure out what reality is. It just You're on a goddamn convertible spaceship spinning a thousand miles an hour hurling through infinity. There's no meaning to this thing. Just keep making [ __ ] Keep making stuff. And then one day they're going to be able to hit that switch and this life will be born out of innovation

26:22 and thinking and progress and technology. And more than likely it's probably going to be what we're seeing that these things are that you're you're you're observing. >> Mhm. I'm not observing them, but yeah. >> observing Are you Are you implying that they're us? I don't think they are us, but I think they are what happens when things keep going. 70 years ago, you just talking about 15 years ago. We didn't we don't we would see it now. These exact things at 20,000 miles an hour going on 70 years ago documented. Somebody has a non-reactionary fuel propulsion system. Now, are they aliens or some sub sect of human throughout history, there are these indications of ships, of craft. >> But you know what I'm the one I'm talking about? It's like and it's that that's the shape of it. It's also like a plate turned on its side and then there's a person inside of it. >> Yeah, man. It's exciting. >> through in that same Yeah, that's it. >> Yeah. Like look. It's cowards. It's flying. But you know, the thing is is it

27:23 everybody can say or the one above that's pretty cool because that was a hidden thing. I've studied that one where it says uh discovery 15th century. Above the her left shoulder, there is an object and if you really zoom in, look at the dude staring up at it. As a painter, my wife is a painter, everything is intentional. Which guy Where's the guy the guy on the right over there? He's pretty cool. >> Looking up. So, I think that's 15th century it said. So, the the problem with this Joe is it Go to the original one, the one that we just looked at it Jamie, the one right before that. Yeah, see get a big picture of that. That is so strange. Like here you got Christ being crucified and then above him UFOs. Look at that. >> miracle of Fatima? God, that's that one that was uh you know, considered a real miracle by the church and the three kids were getting messages. I'll get this all wrong, but for like months that they're going to be visited and they bring people in bigger and bigger groups gathered to where there was over 100,000 >> What year is this? 1917. 1917. 1917. So, you know, dozens of thousands if not hundreds, but

28:24 dozens for sure see an event. A mass sighting of something that happened. We're talking people that were religious, people that weren't religious, you know, doctors at the >> image, is it Jamie? >> one was doctored a little bit so you could see what like they're all looking at something. But that's not real. Yeah. >> the but that's the crowd, right? The crowd is real. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah. So, so here's the thing. People come out, something happened that was so intense. Some people thought it was religious, that it was a visitation, but other people saw it as technological. This is not an airplane. This is not a weather balloon. This is not a blimp. It has performance well beyond you know, and the airplanes that we were flying. If we're the only ones around, and that's and I'm look everything I'm looking at so it's a pretty sad place. It's a pretty lonely universe. I asked my astrophysicist gravity propulsion distance becomes completely irrelevant. So, if we believe the and the radars are right, and Commander Fravor saw this thing moving like a ping-pong ball on a glass of water, it's gravity propelled. That's why you can make those maneuvers without exploding, okay? Then, distance

29:24 becomes completely irrelevant for You're literally warping time and space. There is studies being done right now on materials associated with UFOs, right? So, actual metals that have come off of, you could say, crashes or >> is that that explained that there was something that they were with Eric Weinstein? That was explaining that there was someone who reportedly has something along those >> Jacques Vallee has 17 samples. 17 samples. How does one guy get 17 >> Well, he's Jacques [ __ ] Vallee, right? So, he is the guy first ever for the United States military created a computer program to for, you know, for the study of UFOs for Project Blue Book. So, he's an old school guy. They modeled him after in the Close Encounters movie. It's modeled after Jacques Vallee, the French guy. So, he's kind of like been involved with this. He's had more access to government databases than any of us. He went around, collected samples from known, you know, crashes or like when things will come off. And what's the conclusion? >> Well, they're studying them right now.

30:25 There was just something on Fox about it. They're studying some of these materials, and what they will find because I actually, the ones they're talking about, I actually took to New Mexico and had five scientists study it um about five years ago. I got my hands on it, got to study it. The the famous parts they're we're about now. It's layered, and the way it's layered is what they're trying to see if it's anomalous elementally or the way that they're the elements are bound together and also the the atomic level of of layering is what's interesting. We'll find out if it's >> what you're talking about. What is this thing that you saw? Okay, well, there is there are a lot of different samples, but when you get a sample of something and you can see >> are these samples? Uh, the ones that that I looked at, um, they ranged from about this size. >> Size of uh, audio? They you know, they ranged from the size of >> Yeah, size of an orange to the size of a quarter. These are materials, right? >> they're materials from a crash? So, that's the allegedly there's a known crash. This is in the public domain rather than you know, government

31:25 controlled. So, what we were what I was looking at or having the scientist look at is isotopically and elementally, what are the elements that are in this? Are they engineered? >> And what's the conclusion? Well, I I'm I'm going to leave it to the people that are doing it now who have much better machines than I had Do you know any Yeah, they they from what I understand, there's um, atomic layering. There there are levels of like we do with graphene. We lay down these layers that are basically oriented at a certain degree. That's how you get a superconductor or something like that. If you take a piece of graphene and you and it's highly machined, so it's not doesn't deviate from that atomic layering, you can push it right through ice like a hot knife through butter. It's the weirdest feeling in the world cuz you just take this piece of what feels like graphene and it just goes right through butter because it's a superconductor and the heat from your melts the ice. So, that that is a metamaterial. It doesn't occur naturally. Humans created it and it has special properties because of the way it's atomically layered.

32:26 So, if these materials are from somewhere else, then they're we we suspect that they're going to be highly machined, that they're going to be created for special use. So, my whole point is our material science has not caught up with the >> Was this one of the things that they say, people that have been abducted? I had Travis Walton, this guy. I've seen I've seen I've watched I've watched it. Yeah, I've watched it. >> very compelling in his descriptions of his encounter with these beings. But one of the things that he was saying was they were talking to him, but it wasn't with words. Like they they they were communicating with him and he understood what they were saying, but it wasn't he they weren't saying things. You know, like, "Hey Travis, why don't you relax cuz we're here from planet [ __ ] whatever it is." The information was flowing faster because it was like boom, right away what I think you get it. >> Yes, they were they were explaining things to him in some sort of a telepathic way. And it was mind-blowing to him. And I think that that's probably the future of communication. Just like

33:28 you can transmit information from phone to phone, right? You can call people. They're nowhere near you, but you can talk to them. You can send a video to someone. It's going through the air. It's just data, right? It's just information. Do Do you think Travis and Bob Lazar and all these guys that have extraordinary believe what they are telling you? I don't know if what they believe is true, but what do you think they believe what they are telling you in a way that they're not lying? They're telling the truth of what they're believing. >> I can't tell for certain, but I believe Bob Lazar. I believe what he's saying is true. I believe he's telling me now Bob he had one moment where he was passing by a window and he said he saw something that was small and these people were standing over it and he doesn't know he didn't know if it was an alien or whether it was a like a uh

34:29 you you some sort of a a form that they were trying like a a doll or something that's supposed to represent the size of an alien or some some sort of a model of an alien. But he remembers he looked briefly through a window and he saw something small. He didn't see it move around, didn't see it talk, so he doesn't know what he saw. Because in his world, as he explained it, when he was working at Area 51 Site 4, that's where he worked. He said that it was very compartmentalized and that this thing is one of the problems with them trying to figure out, you know, this is assuming he's telling the truth. Yeah, of course. >> One of the the problems they were trying to figure out was how to back engineer these devices, these these ships. But the problem was they weren't allowed to communicate with other people outside of this very limited group of people that had access to these these vehicles. And the people that were involved in the metallurgy were not allowed to communicate with the people that were

35:29 involved in the whatever the propulsion system was. They didn't understand what the They were trying to decipher these things, but he said and if you listen to the podcast that I did with him, that it didn't it didn't work because the scientific method requires multiple people to communicate and share ideas and explain and they didn't do that. >> improve like that. You need to share ideas. You can't do something and compartmentalize everything. But my communication with him, I I Again, I don't know if he was telling me the truth, but he didn't seem deceptive. And he's a brilliant guy. Yeah, it's clear he he's clearly like borderline genius. You hear him speak, he's very educated. And the thing some of the things that he talked about came to fruition. Like one of the things was there was a concept of this thing called Element 115, right? Now, that was not really proven until the 2000s or somewhere in the 2000s they they used a particle collider and created this thing where it was a very unstable, very

36:31 short-lived particle. But, he was saying that wherever these beings are from, they have figured out a way to utilize a stable version of this element 115, and that's how they propel themselves. The The things that he was describing were also exactly the same things that were experienced by Commander David Fravor, who was a guy who was a jet pilot. >> I saw it. Yeah. Yeah. And so, he experienced this thing move in that same direction, that same way, where there was no visible propulsion system, but they tracked this thing going from 80,000 ft above sea level to one in 1 second. So, that's the amount of time that it takes radar to to to track this. So, it might have been less than a second. This thing traveled from 80,000 ft to 1,000. >> what I mean For to 1 ft. >> It's I saw that thing in that with the hand. He says he measured the the the distance between the bone and the you know, like when you get in, you know, you put your hand in it and measure the distance between your bone and the Oh,

37:32 the scanner. Yes, the scanner. >> There is a lot of things like this. And you know, like Zecharia Sitchin was you know, like there's a lot of stuff that you you can think of that how could they know that at the time? But, it's man, it's Well, the Zecharia Sitchin stuff is interesting, right? That's all the the Sumerian text. The Sumerian text is some fascinating stuff because it's all from 6,000 years ago. And by the way, Zecharia Sitchin, he's very controversial. There's There's even a website called sitchiniswrong.com, and it's basically scholars of ancient Sumerian who say that his translations are completely off. But, even if his translations are off, there's still a lot of really confusing stuff about ancient Sumer, and one of the things is their depictions of the solar system. They had a depiction of the solar system 6,000 years ago that shows the sun in the center and it shows all of the known

38:32 planets in the outside and they're you know they're they're relatively accurate in terms of the >> Yeah, and how about the formation of the earth? Tiamat Mar- Mar- Marduk, I don't remember which one is what but I you know what? That's Yeah, formation of the earth. >> That's the model that the we we use today. Well, the scientists >> The asteroid belt like that's the the model that that we we use today. How did he knew that at that time? That's I don't know how they knew that. The what what you're saying is earth one and earth two. What that means is that there was an an an original version of earth and then earth was hit by another planet at some point in the distant distant past and that's what created the moon and that's also what created the asteroid belt. >> That goes on the different direction than the rest of the the the planet. Like they they knew that too. Well, there's also a thing called Bode's law and Bode's law measures the distance between planets and it's based on the mass of the planet and they figure out because of the mass of the planet how far these planets are from from each

39:34 other and one of the things that [ __ ] that up is the asteroid belt. I think what I might be wrong about this but the the distance between Mars and Jupiter is one of the things that screws that up and they think that's explained by the asteroid belt that some collision created this asteroid belt and created all of the I mean there's something like known near earth objects. They were created by the impact of these planets. One thing I believe and I'm sure you the same because you had a lot of these guys on your podcast Graham Graham Hancock, Randall Carlson, John Anthony West it's it there's clearly knowledge that we've lost in the past. this is for sure like just think about the Alexa Library of Alexandria. Man, imagine the knowledge that it was in there before it burned. I know, imagine. Oh man. Imagine. People thinks

40:36 we lost like 1 million million year like just when it burns [snorts] down of knowledge, you know, medicine, botany, It's just crazy to think of. So So I'm very often sometime when crazy stuff happened like that like I just think that perhaps they had knowledge that that there's knowledge that we lost. I just think about the Greek fire. It's a weapon that was used in the naval battle and it's it's it's really really known about historian. You can research. They still don't know exactly how it works, but it was so destructive. It was at the time it was like a secret weapon. Like they didn't want to share and it was known to be very efficient in naval battle. I don't know what that is. I don't know about Greek fire. >> fire. If you go Greek fire, you'll get it boom. It it used to It was used in naval battle. So we used to throw They used to throw fire flames and they used to People that got that they are burning, they still burn in the

41:38 water. So they think it was made with some kinds of petrol or or or they still don't know they don't know they cannot recreate it and it's clearly something that a lot of historian have talked It's called Greek fire. It's just an example that it's clear that it's it's technology that we have lost. Well, if you just look at the pyramids, the pyramids are perfect example of technology lost. It's almost like the best example. Like the those ancient civilizations almost letting everyone know, hey, there is information that we have that's so above and beyond what's expected of people from this era. Yeah. Because if you think about people that lived 2,500 BC, you don't think about someone that had the kind of proficiency to create something that when people don't understand it's not just that the pyramids were big, but they were so perfectly designed that when they put all the stones, they reached the top. Like if anyone was off by even a half an inch at the bottom, as

42:40 time went on an inch here an inch there, by the time they got to the top it'd be all [ __ ] up. >> Yeah, [ __ ] up. >> have been perfect. But the pyramids were so amazingly perfect and they were originally covered in smooth limestone. So smooth polished limestone that would probably be insane to look at if you were staring at it from a distance. Like this immense structure of 2,300,000 stones, some of them cut from quarries hundreds of miles away, all perfectly aligned and put together by these people that lived thousands and thousands of years ago. You know that most scholar would say that they use a ramp, but if you think about it, like there's other scholars that would counter that by saying the the construction of that ramp need to be in an angle that it could be so difficult to do that it will challenge the construction of the pyramid itself, you know? >> Again, it's like maybe they use a ramp. I don't know what they used. >> we don't know, yeah. But what whatever they used, it's so amazingly

43:44 >> Yeah. that they were able to make this stone structure that still to this day I haven't been, but I have friends that have gone. Like uh my friend Andrew Schulz just went. Uh Danica Patrick, the race car driver, she told me she just went. People that I know that have been. My friend Eddie Bravo, when he went he's like you're like you get there you're like, "WHAT THE FUCK?" It's so big >> It's it's an awakening Yes, that our our idea of what it is, when you see it in a photograph, it looks incredible. But I guess I need to go. Because I guess when you see it in person, it's just a like a complete reset. Like you it recalibrates what people are capable of. Because you have to think like, man, this is this is 4,500 years old. Think about Derinkuyu, Gobekli Tepe. Yes. >> And man, it's Yeah, Gobekli Tepe 10,000 years old, isn't it? >> it's like 12, 12,000 years years years old, you know? Like like like >> At least. Like how can you how do you conceive that? And sometime what happen

44:45 is that it get you know, infected by by a pre by other civilization that passed there after that that construction. So they think they are the one that built it. I think it's is it um Pumapunku? The the one that there's clearly two different technology. You see that the stone are perfectly aligned with the like perfectly cut. Then you have an other stone that are just on top like like it's like a butch butcher's job, you And it's clearly not the same technology, the same people that built these two layers, you know? >> Right. Well, that was also John Anthony West's concept of Egypt that there's multiple eras. And that the if you go deeper, like some of the stuff that they found when they dig deeper in the sand was a different construction method. It looked different, different designs. And but still equally complex and fascinating. It's like there's probably many eras of human civilization. And there's probably been whatever it is, whether it's disease or some sort of a

45:47 natural disaster or something that happened. Asteroidal impact was John Anthony or was uh Randall Carlson's and Graham Hancock's that's their theory is a 12,000 years ago the end of the Pleistocene era. But Homo sapiens is dated to 3,000 3 >> years old. You know, for so imagine that 3,000. >> No, no, Homo sapiens >> Homo sapiens 3,000. I think it's older than that. I think it's several hundred >> 300,000 sorry. Yes, yes, yes. Sorry my English. Yeah, oh, right, right, right. >> Homo sapiens is 300,000 in Morocco. That is how I'm 100% sure. That's why I I read about this kind of stuff. >> they think it's somewhere in that neighborhood. Yeah. >> Yeah, yeah, but so if you take that 300 300,000 sorry 300,000 time to for an evolution. Why would it be only in the last 12 10,000 years that we would, you know, >> invent such immense immense structures? >> it's kind of strange. It doesn't make

46:47 sense to me. >> Well, it's also we're so different from all the other animals. Like we're the only animal that wears shoes. We're the only animal that wears clothes. We're the only animal that really manipulates its environment the way we do. I mean other animals think, you know, bees make beehives and [ __ ] like that, but they do anything even remotely interesting in comparison to what we're capable of doing and what we have done for thousands and thousands of years. And why? You know, one of the things that Bob Lazar said that he was taught when he was at area S4 at Area 51 S4 was that one of the things that they were telling him was that human beings are the product of accelerated evolution and that these creatures occasionally come back to check upon our progress. And the app, which is crazy. >> Wow. But but that might be how it works throughout the universe is that these beings that are very far advanced, they come back and they see these creatures that are pretty close and they give them a little boost. They push push them ahead a little bit because otherwise it would take so long and maybe we don't

47:47 have the amount of time because of the fact that we're in this [ __ ] shooting gallery of asteroids that these things come down and whatever progress you make is wiped out by impacts or by super volcanoes. >> It It's crazy, but it's not that crazy if you look at the belief of human being to evolution, you know, like in ancient Greek they believe in different they they were believing in different gods they they like in in in different times different civilization have different belief. Now some people believe Jesus walk on water, you know, which is fine too. That's their belief, you know. If you believe that human was you know, the the the result of and like alien beings, you know, it's another belief, you know, like It's not everybody believe in different things, you know. >> that crazy if you think about what we're doing. If aliens are real, I'm not 100% >> but I'm probably like 90% convinced. But if they are real, I leave in the room for [ __ ] It's like Jamie, get a picture of your shirt. Show everybody [laughter] the shirt you're wearing while we're talking about

48:49 It's a UFO. It says, "Can they see it?" Believe that. That's a dope shirt. That's a saucer, if I've ever seen one. I think if they're if they're here, they're not going to let us. That's what I think. >> Well, that's what I think they're going to swoop in and go, "Hey, hey, hey." Well, that's [ __ ] I I'm 25, right? I can't speak on anything, but just looking from past experience and you know, there's like drawings like even in the Mona Lisa there's a weird thing or whatever in the background and >> But there's a spike. >> It's a spike in like because it's getting pretty weird here. The spike they think we It's hard to tell because sometimes when people talk about UFOs a bunch of other people hallucinate or lie. Like there's a lot of that. So every time there's a real legit UFO, you get a bunch of nut just nut cases who just want to tell crazy [ __ ] about being taken on spaceships. I mean I I've never Yeah.

49:50 What did you see? What did it look like? I was in I was probably 16. I was at in upstate New And uh it would just stay there. So, I Whoa. Let me precursor this. My aunt and uncle were very strict. And we had to go to bed at a very strict deadline, probably 10:00 p.m. And I was looking out the window with my And it's just a light that just stays there and then just [ __ ] goes off. I mean, you It just whoosh. You can't explain it. Well, if you're seven You're 17 at the >> 16. How uh Probably. How strong is this memory when you're like looking at it, when you're trying to remember it? >> Medium. Medium. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, there's something there. >> For sure something took off and did something that didn't make sense to you. >> For sure. Mhm. And then in Utah, I mean, there [ __ ] happens all the time. I mean,

50:51 even here in LA. I can't tell you how many times cuz I used to live in Tarzana. uh there was like a balcony here and it looked kind of like It sounds corny. But like a classic like force field. Whenever you think of a force field and it just kind of goes like this and it's kind of like a dome Mhm. >> in a circular shape. Mhm. And it just goes like this whoosh and goes back in. In Tarzana. Looking down at the [ __ ] city. And I'm like, how did no one else see this? >> They might have. >> But I was there with like [ __ ] four other people and they saw it, too. The thing about unique events is if a unique event happens and it never happens again, it's hard to It's hard to be sure what you saw. It's hard. But if aliens are visiting us, like how often are they doing it? Like unique events would probably be what it

51:51 would be. It'd be like occasionally, once every 6 months someone sees one somewhere. But they're here all the time. They probably just know how to evade detection. I mean, it just if something can travel here from another planet, it's going to be able to know when they're being watched and when they're not being watched. That's not going to be hard. >> That's why you got to wonder if it's like intentional. I think there's enough talk about it now that we're probably going to find out what it is in our lifetime. I never would think that before. Think the government withheld information for whatever reason. Maybe they think people are scared. Maybe they they think it's a threat to govern to, you know, the national security to have a bunch of people worried that aliens are flying around us all the time. There's nothing we can do about it. Maybe they like had a conversation and they thought maybe it'd be better to keep people in the quiet or keep them in the dark so that they don't freak out cuz there's nothing we could do about it anyway. If we just tell them that there's aliens that are visiting us all the time. >> Right. That's not going to be good. They're not going to pay attention to

52:52 taxes and mortgage rates and the stock market. They're going to [clears throat] be like, "Holy fuck." >> uranium and [ __ ] like that. >> around us all the time. They're going to be people are going to freak out. So, I think like little drops of if like this the recent one they said where they Yeah, what did the Pentagon just say? Literally like 2 [ __ ] days ago. crafts that are not from this world. Not made on Earth. >> Not made on Earth. Yeah. >> made on Earth. Yeah. They're basically saying we don't know what the [ __ ] it is, but we didn't make it. That's bananas. And I think that's going to lead to more and more information coming out about it where we're going to try to get a sense of understanding like how long have they known this? You know, how much of like all that Roswell, New Mexico [ __ ] was true. Like tell us what was going on. and backtracking, you got to wonder if like, oh, we've been hiding this the whole time or this is the first time for real

53:53 we don't know. This is what I like to think. I like to think that the people that are in charge at the Pentagon are patriots and they realize it's probably especially when you're dealing with the United States that's in this kind of turmoil that they're in right now. It's crazy between racial turmoil and turmoil with the police and turmoil with people protesting in cities and blocking traffic. There's so much crazy turmoil. They'll be like, no one's even going to notice now. Just let it say it now. Just say, yeah, we got UFOs. Like everything is so crazy. The news cycle of any crazy story like this is only a few days and then people forget. Well, it it's just people already know and it's just normalization. Or you And you think about movies is just normalizing you to the idea that I can't even like the Canadian I don't quote me on this, but a Canadian someone in office was like, there's like seven species of aliens in the US government.

54:57 >> It'll be crazy if it was true. That's You know, Tommy Lee Jones and Will Smith were right >> that? all along. Yeah, check that out. Please fact check that for me. >> loony person though? I have no idea. See, people can get elected and still be That's the problem. >> certain. That's a problem. You know, just because like when you hear about someone having like a really high profile job and they say something crazy, it doesn't mean they're not crazy. Just because they're they're the prime minister of some [ __ ] country. They could be out of their mind. What do we got? How close to that? How close? Where is that? >> Canada's former defense minister claims that aliens are real. Apparently, there is a humanoid-esque race of aliens called the tall whites living among us. What what publication is this? >> Is this Vice? Yeah, it's on Vice. It's on Vice and there's a few other places. Well, there's a few other So, it's like a real it's a like a real deal. >> Definitely said it, it seems [laughter]

55:58 Come on. That's crazy [ __ ] Yeah, that is crazy [ __ ] The thing is is that guy nuts? Like what else does he believe in? You know, how what how does he feel about ghosts? Right? When you think about like an alien sighting, like if you saw an alien and you never saw one again for the rest of your life, you would be you would it would [ __ ] with your memory. Even if the alien was real. If if a a saucer emerged in front of you and then took off. That's the same thing with a ghost. Like if you saw a [ __ ] ghost, if you walked into your basement to go get in a screw for something and you turn and you saw an apparition of a woman who's like staring you down. Did you ever see that Guillermo del Toro movie about the lady who's a ghost who adopts kids? No. Dude, it's a dark movie. What is it called? Mother? What is it What is it called? It's [ __ ] [clears throat] creepy. >> Is it? It's creepy. >> horror movies? I love them. Me, too. I love them. >> I'm a dirty little [ __ ] I love horror [laughter] movies. I think it's called Mama. Mama, yes, that's it. >> Oh, is it That's not with two Swedish kids, right?

56:59 Um I don't remember This is it. This is it. Did you see this? No. Just two kids. >> haven't seen that. She's um she Well, I don't want to give it away. I don't give the story away. But it's crazy. She finds these kids in the woods and raises them. She's a ghost and it's a [ __ ] terrifying movie. >> She's a ghost. Yes. And so, people adopt the kids, they find the kids. I can't tell you anymore. Spoiler alert. >> tell you anymore. No, you know she's a ghost from the very beginning of the >> Okay, okay, good. Yeah, this is terrifying. Dude, it it's [ __ ] horrifying. It's a terrifying movie. >> Well, you get the best of both worlds, right? You get a creepy like mom style and then you get creepy kids, which are like the double terrifying. What's the movie I'm thinking of? >> without um well, spoiler alert in it. There's a I think it may be called it might become So, it's two kids. It might be Swedish like Norwegian or something.

58:00 Is it the vampire movie? No, but >> There's a There's a vampire movie, a foreign vampire movie. Is it Let the Right One In? I think it is. Or is that the American version of it? >> Let the Right One In is a scary movie. >> That's a scary movie, right? That's a vampire movie about vampire kids, right? Yeah. See, the thing about a ghost is if you saw one and it was if they just real every now and then, you saw one and it was right in front of you, you're in the woods, you're going to walk your dog and you see some old man with no legs floating in front of you. >> Goodnight Mommy is the one. Goodnight Mommy. What's this one about? The same I don't know. Same kind of deal? Oh, Jesus spoiler alert. Oh, Jesus Christ. Save that for later. Did you see something good? >> Yeah. I missed it. >> Some scary lady in the corner. Check that [ __ ] out. That's a good one. I'm scared. >> But you see him in the woods. Yeah. Please. Oh, yeah, if you saw some uh some apparition in the woods and then you never saw it again for the rest of your life. It doesn't mean it wasn't real. Right. >> means it's really rare that that

59:02 Like that's the thing about a unique event. Like imagine if you're an ant your whole [ __ ] life. All you've ever known is this anthill. Everybody's chilling, working every day, chopping up leaves, going out and getting popcorn or whatever [ __ ] it finds. And then one day some person comes along like Post Malone just stomps the [ __ ] out of that anthill. Till that moment all that thing has ever known was that that anthill. Never even knew that it was possible for something to cuz it's been alive for a couple weeks and during that couple weeks no one's ever stomped on the anthill. But then it happens and then you realize that there's no pattern to these things. Anything can happen. Like if you're if you're a person, aliens can land. They can land on the White House lawn tomorrow and take over the world and there's nothing we can do about it. Like that could be our new normal. Okay, [ __ ] masks. The new normal is there's alien spaceships that hover over every city and they tell you what to do and you have to work for them now To the ant argument, we're smarter than ants.

1:00:04 >> Yes, we are but we're in comparison probably dumber than aliens are. Like we're dumber in comparison to aliens than ants are to people. Well, that's why you like all these celestial sightings. Yeah, I mean this is all uh spitballing here. But it could be possible, right? >> Celestial sightings documented throughout history. Hey, I just made a fire. This is dope. Right? Fire's cool. But what the [ __ ] is that? That has to be Yeah. God. Like man has always looked for answers. It's true. And so that's that's that's why it's a scary thing. Because do they want to hurt us or do they Are they Did we come from them? I don't think it's impossible. I don't think it's impossible that we're a product of genetic manipulation. I don't know if we are. I know we're definitely primates. We're just play things, maybe.

1:01:05 We just look so different than every other monkey. All the other monkeys are covered in hair. This is this weird semi-hairless monkey. You know who knows how to use electronics, who knows how to send video through the sky. >> Anunnaki? Yes. Yes. Yes. >> My my Yeah, if Lou was here, I got a great friend, Lou. Shout out to Lou. He would talk your ear off about this whole >> this to an actual archaeologist yesterday. It was with Bradley Garrett. Yeah, the Nephilim or the Anunnaki from planet Nibiru, all that Zacharias Sitchin stuff. You ever read those >> No, sir. The books are weird, man. You know what's weird? Like there's stuff that he was saying in like I believe it was like the 1970s where he was deciphering these texts. And one of the things that he said is this is the craziest one of all. Humans were genetically engineered from lower primates and they were used to har- to a harvest And that the Anunnaki needed gold

1:02:08 because gold is very plentiful here >> and very hard to find, very rare on their planet. >> And they engineered humans to mine That's why people love gold so much. >> think about like the usefulness of gold. Gold isn't even remotely It's Unless you're making electronics, like gold's not the best metal. Like why is it so valuable? Because it's pretty? Well, it's not even the prettiest [ __ ] Like rubies are prettier than gold, emeralds are prettier than gold. Why is gold so goddamn expensive? >> But where does diamonds fit in? It's a good question. Probably just someone tricked a chick into thinking it was a good move. >> was reading about like >> Yeah, that's what It's like one movie she had a diamond and then What do you >> pop the top. >> Let me finish what I'm saying because this is where it gets weird. They said that they needed it to hang in their atmosphere to protect them from the sun because they were losing their atmosphere. Well, we're losing our atmosphere. And one of the things that scientists have suggested is hanging reflective particles

1:03:09 above above the earth, like putting them in orbit. All like a reflective dust in orbit so that it would mute out some of the effects of the sun. So what they suggested what he was saying in 1978 is what they suggested in like 2018. Right. >> So when they're talking about how to fix some of the global warming issues, they were literally saying some of the stuff that was in this book that he was reading you know, he's deciphering the these ancient Sumerian text from 6,000 years ago. No [ __ ] >> Yeah, I don't know if I don't know if his interpretation is right though. >> it from? He is just a guy who's a linguist who studies these ancient languages and and reinterprets them. But it's very highly in dispute. That's the problem. Like you are not you are you or I we're not going to figure it out. We're not going to know who's right. >> But there's a website called sitchin is wrong.com. And if you go there it refutes all of his I don't know who's right or who's wrong, but it's interesting to see the argument. But

1:04:09 again, what the whatever the [ __ ] was going on back then at 6,000 years ago, whatever was going on, they were writing about some wacky [ __ ] man. >> Right. Right. Right. You know, they were And is that the shrooms or is that Is it >> Real. Yeah. You know, is that's it's not impossible. They we could have easily been contacted by some other life form that's similar to us, but that's a million years advanced. We could have been contacted all throughout history. >> I don't up until 1860 whatever the [ __ ] it was, all you would have is a drawing and a story. What >> Imagine that. How famous people, who the [ __ ] knows. But if you look at the last 200 years, it is accelerated like a [ __ ] And there's so much like 200 years ago people would look at uh the Bronco or anything like that and be like what the [ __ ]

1:05:10 >> Yeah, what is that? It happened so quick. It's happening so quick right I mean, they that SpaceX thing, they've already they've already figured out how to get something to fly into the sky and then bring it back and land it. It's We are in a weird [ __ ] time. And if the aliens come right now, it's the probably the best time to come. Well, we're going to be the most relaxed about it. No one's been able to work for 6 months. I Yeah, I feel like everybody's Oh, what's People are scared to shake What are you going to do? >> Are you going to say hi, or are you going to >> Are you going to grab your bow? Oh, I'm going to say hi, for sure. I'm not stupid. >> Take Get come here for I'm not kicking anyone's ass. >> Yeah, I'm not even interested in kicking someone's ass from another dimension. I just [laughter] want to say hi. Tell me what's up. Tell me what's actually going >> to have an alien on the podcast. You imagine? I could call Tyler up. >> tall, 40-lb dude with a giant bulbous head and like

1:06:11 antenna-like fingers, and he's explaining how they traverse space and >> you know, no, no, no. You imagine? They're making sounds, and you interpret those sounds, no matter what language you're in, all over the world, you instantaneously interpret what they're saying. >> brain, you wouldn't be able to hear Yeah, they would do it through a podcast. They'd be able to engineer the sounds they make. They would do it through the sound of 3378. They would hit you with some sound that's so complex, you would understand exactly what they're saying, even though you don't know the language. And everybody would be like, what in the [ __ ] is going on? Oh my god, there's an alien on the JRE. And that's what it would be. Me talking to some alien. They better They better give you some more goddamn money. I think that's the least of our problems when the aliens come. >> That [ __ ] is going to be wiped out. >> when we need gold. >> Yeah, we're going to be gold miners again, folks. We're going to look for some sturdy person with a wide back. That's what that's what's going to be valuable. Thank you. >> But I mean good enough to mine gold? I

1:07:12 don't know. Imagine if that's life in the future. They come down and go you got two choices. One either we eat one we eat you. Two you mine gold for us. Are they eating humans? Why not? Why wouldn't they eat us? They'll be like listen you guys are just protein. You're [ __ ] They probably eat clouds. Yeah. Or like energy they probably just eat energy. Yeah they maybe they just exist in some sort of like Dude they're probably not even [ __ ] material. Probably. They're probably just [ __ ] ethereal. Well maybe they figured out a way to make So maybe they figured out a way how to make life where you can transfer your consciousness in some eternal mechanical